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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by wilg »

KaiserPro wrote: post #40

I don't understand how its possibly legal for tesla, or anyone for that matter, to be able to push out beta life critical software to the general public. Say for example a utility company pushed out an update that flipped the power contactor between you and the grid too many times that it caught fire, the company would be taken to court. I simply just don't understand how Tesla can get away with it.

I think you could argue that it isn't life-critical software because it requires active driver monitoring. What makes it different from lane-keeping assist in other vehicles? Or bog-standard cruise control? The fact that it attempts to do more things does not necessarily make it more dangerous. Your cruise control can drive you into a truck or off the road, but we accept that it is the driver's responsibility to not let that happen. FSD will actually attempt to stop for other vehicles, pedestrians, traffic lights, etc. What is the difference here other than the system is _less likely_ to kill you because it is smarter?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by erik_seaberg »

beAbU wrote: post #23
idopmstuff wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did it take you two years and a small fortune? It took me some reasonable number of hours over ~6 months (at the time in CA you could get your learner's permit at 15.5 and license at 16) and a couple hundred bucks for a driving instructor.

In many countries you can get your learner's at 16, and a full license at 18. Hence 2 years.

Yeah, I took a free weekend class in high school, maybe twelve hours total. I barely remember taking the test at age sixteen, yet it’s valid decades later.

I would be pretty surprised if FSD couldn’t outperform me, except for edge cases like “this guy flagging us down, what the heck does he want us to do?”

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by kec »

throwaway914 wrote: post #82
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

I'm sure I'm just naive because I don't work in this space, but I keep wondering why they don't do machine learning from a satellite perspective. Yes, the cars need to notice and react to things in front of them. However, a lot of problem areas and odd navigation can be identified from space. I'm surprised they don't do some massive slow exposure shots from a satellite and see how traffic flows across the entire US.…

How would satellite imagery help at night, during cloudy/stormy weather? What sort of latency does the imagery have? Can commercial imagery even resolve things like painted lane markers, construction detour signage, etc?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by BooneJS »

Model Y w/HW3 + FSD Beta loves to take those turnoff lanes on 2-lane 55 mph highways, thinking that the road just went to 4 lanes. Unfortunately (for me), those turnoff lanes abruptly stop in a 90 degree right turn. I leave audio comments when it happens when prompted asking why I disabled FSD by yanking the wheel left, but I don't know what else to do.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

baz00 wrote: post #92
jlmorton wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.

Literally the main reasons for the push for self-driving cars are to drive operating costs down for private taxi services by removing humans and to have a marketable feature that can be upsold on luxury vehicles. These are a net negative for society as they drive up unemployment and consumption. It's ego because it's a gold rush revenue source if it plays off and various CEOs have been pushing because while stock pri…

Is there a technology that doesn't automate work and isn't sold to consumers for money?

Self driving cars could potentially end car accidents outright, saving 40,000 lives in just the US per year. But that would put some mechanics out of business.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by inferiorhuman »

sidgarimella wrote: post #60
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

I ride Cruise daily– I think it's entirely a scoping problem and what they decide to finalize as "FSD". From my exp autonomous driving seems entirely plausible within large cities at slower speeds that don't instantly kill you or others, and outside that just as good a lane assist + cruise control as you can get– the rest is branding FSD and walking back a claim or two around it. It all seems very malleable.

Cruise was finally hit with blame over someone's death after blocking in an ambulance. I'm not sure they're such a good example of autonomous driving done right.

As for instantaneous death, a collision between a person an automobile at 25 mph is enough to do serious damage to the person. What you've described is autonomous driving at a walking pace, and somehow that doesn't sound so appealing.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

jrflowers wrote: post #100
jlmorton wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.

I like the idea that the ability to use both hands to eat chicken nuggets while operating a motor vehicle at speed is so inherently and universally valuable that a person couldn’t possibly believe otherwise.

One could confidently put the makeup on without being annoyingly interrupted every couple of hundreds meters by having to drive up to the next red light!

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by jprete »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #77
baz00 wrote: post #52

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See now you're getting to the point but the point is that public transport is broken so we're patching it with cars. Perhaps we should be fixing that instead?

I've seen this objection a lot and I don't really understand where it comes from. The only people who can fix public transit are the government and the public. Autonomous vehicles aren't being developed by either of these groups and in no way prevent them from fixing transit. What's the argument then? Is everyone expected to wait around until public transit is fixed before they work on something else? AVs are complem…

AVs aren't complementary to public transit, though. From the customer perspective, the only difference between an AV car service and a taxi service is that one of them has a human driver. Why would any taxi customer take a three-leg trip from SF to SJ with two robotaxis and the Caltrain when they could have a single-shot transportation solution door to door?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

HPMOR wrote: post #58
baz00 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See now you're getting to the point but the point is that public transport is broken so we're patching it with cars. Perhaps we should be fixing that instead?

This “we” you speak of is non-existent. It’s about individuals taking actions to fix the injustices and errors they see in the system. For all his faults Elon Musk does not sit on the sidelines. What you see as a transgression by him is nonetheless action, and it will not be fixed until you, or some other individual brings it upon themselves to fix it.

> > For all his faults Elon Musk does not sit on the sidelines

He sits on the sidelines for all the billions of problems which are not heavily subsidised by the government in one way or another.

The fearless QB who only takes the field when the team has a 48 points lead and for Uncle Sam's team with uncapped salary ceiling.

A true underdog story. Move over Kurt Warner. Not.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by dzhiurgis »

jacquesm wrote: post #62
dzhiurgis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny? I’d rather have distracted driver on autopilot over distracted driver in a car with crude ADAS.

It's not a binary choice: there are also simply normal, non-intoxicated, non smartphone distracted drivers.

Where are they? Taking a driving exam?
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