Tesla gets a lot of Flak, but all driving assistance systems in commercial cars today that I tried are wayyy more terrible. My long term rental Nissan Rogue lane following system tries to kill me multiple times a day, and only disconnects with an alarm 2seconds+ after leaving the lanes.
Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night
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#52This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…
Self=driving cars could be important, if we used them in ways that didn't play to the traditional car narratives. An always-connected vehicle could start to deliver some of the "system intelligence" we see in more controlled public-transit platforms. Self-driving cars should be smart enough to say "You specified a destination downtown. I will wait 4 minutes 23 seconds before departure because we'll have a peak cohort…
Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night
#53Tesla gets a lot of Flak, but all driving assistance systems in commercial cars today that I tried are wayyy more terrible. My long term rental Nissan Rogue lane following system tries to kill me multiple times a day, and only disconnects with an alarm 2seconds+ after leaving the lanes.
I just stopped using it.
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#55Also, the time it take to charge your EV compared to filling your gas car is silly after spending $50k to $200k!.
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#56I don't understand how its possibly legal for tesla, or anyone for that matter, to be able to push out beta life critical software to the general public. Say for example a utility company pushed out an update that flipped the power contactor between you and the grid too many times that it caught fire, the company would be taken to court. I simply just don't understand how Tesla can get away with it.
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#57We've passed the point we can blame Elon Musk for this: We need to be asking why the federal government has been completely absent in putting a stop to it. Tesla's marketing around their cruise control is getting people killed. The government needs to give Tesla a week to remove all Autopilot and FSD terms from their products or recall the entirety of the product line. People who paid extra for this unlock should get…
True accountability should hone in on the “natural person”. This needs to change.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Self=driving cars could be important, if we used them in ways that didn't play to the traditional car narratives. An always-connected vehicle could start to deliver some of the "system intelligence" we see in more controlled public-transit platforms. Self-driving cars should be smart enough to say "You specified a destination downtown. I will wait 4 minutes 23 seconds before departure because we'll have a peak cohort…
See now you're getting to the point but the point is that public transport is broken so we're patching it with cars. Perhaps we should be fixing that instead?
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#59Elon Musk follows Longtermism. His position is that few deaths here and there today don't matter if it brings about full self driving cars.
It is funny, isn't it, that every single person that thought that some lives had to be sacrificed now for the greater good or something later somehow managed to exclude their own life, and that of their loved ones, out of that equation.
What are lawsuits and fines to someone who buys 40B companies out of boredom / like we comment on HN.
Responsibility and repercussions must become much clearer and more sharply felt to any so called “leadership”.
This is one, if not the main malaise of our times.
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#60This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…
From my exp autonomous driving seems entirely plausible within large cities at slower speeds that don't instantly kill you or others, and outside that just as good a lane assist + cruise control as you can get– the rest is branding FSD and walking back a claim or two around it. It all seems very malleable.