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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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It still blows my mind that so many people are okay with beta testing software that controls a several-tonne metal box on wheels moving at 100km/h+ on shared roadways.

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A human can be held liable for their actions, and as such, the "average person" might exercise an amount of responsibility equal to the risk of liability. Drive slow around schools, but drive like a hooligan around a racetrack. Etc.

A Tesla, or any robot for that matter, cannot be held liable for it's actions.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#22

Elon Musk follows Longtermism. His position is that few deaths here and there today don't matter if it brings about full self driving cars.

It sounds like a highly selective sort to me.

Like, wouldn't be too many deaths and accidents set back the goal? And wouldn't a previously acquired bad reputation slow down adoption when it's finally working?

And why not sacrifice short term gains by having say, LIDAR and better hardware at the start, to have the best performing system as fast as possible, and then gradually trim things down once everything works perfectly?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#23
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? At least they have a driving license. That's not something we can say about this pile of crap. It cost me 2 years of my life, a small fortune at the time and a lot of hassle from the authorities before being allowed to pass so I could join in on this thing called 'traffic' with a vehicle. And I thought that was just fine. Now we get this stuff that is absolutely unverified and that is known to have issues release…

Why did it take you two years and a small fortune? It took me some reasonable number of hours over ~6 months (at the time in CA you could get your learner's permit at 15.5 and license at 16) and a couple hundred bucks for a driving instructor.

In many countries you can get your learner's at 16, and a full license at 18. Hence 2 years.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#24
This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab rats.

The real problem is that roads are vastly unconstrained systems. An analogy is you can't take a sieve and fill all the holes in it with AI because it has no determinism and you don't know what all the constraints/holes are in the first place. Humans can actually reason in these situations fairly competently, even the stupid ones.

Give up, produce a half decent low price car with basic features that a human drives that frees us from the insane EV pricing jump and perhaps the world will be changed. Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec egos and companies who want rid of the cost of a human workforce.

This is another fucking race to the bottom and the only innovation is getting people to think it's important.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is funny, isn't it, that every single person that thought that some lives had to be sacrificed now for the greater good or something later somehow managed to exclude their own life, and that of their loved ones, out of that equation.

For all the criticisms of Elon Musk you could level (and there are many), this is a weird choice in that it's demonstrably wrong - he livestreamed himself driving using the newest version of FSD Beta very recently.

I remember when Tesla demoed FSD and it was all faked. Given the company’s track record of fraud and his personal track record of over promising and under delivering on this very product, why should anyone believe his video is what he says it is?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/tech/tesla-self-driving-video...

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#26
I do not understand how a large number of software vendors have managed to turn "beta testing" into a desirable way to spend time.

People even compete to be allowed to perform free beta testing. Great from a business perspective, saves a lot of money on QA.

I prefer to use the software once it has been fully released and has been out for a while for the vendor to iron out any major issues.

To freely chose to beta test the self-driving feature of a huge automobile travelling at high speed on public roads (not a test track) is nearly impossible for me to understand.

Where it the upside to it? Being able to blog about how you nearly died?

Had it gone a bit farther this would have been a good candidate for a Darwin award.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#27
We've passed the point we can blame Elon Musk for this: We need to be asking why the federal government has been completely absent in putting a stop to it. Tesla's marketing around their cruise control is getting people killed.

The government needs to give Tesla a week to remove all Autopilot and FSD terms from their products or recall the entirety of the product line. People who paid extra for this unlock should get full refunds for it.

My Kia can provide an amount of self-steering in cruise control which is truly impressive and smoothes the driving experience, but nobody sells it as driving itself, much less charges an extra ten grand for the privilege.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#28
With Tesla, everyone can have the experience of being a driving instructor, but unfortunately not everyone is good at it. IMHO it takes even more attention to supervise it than just being in control all the time, since taking over when it tries to do something stupid is the most difficult part.

For this reason, I always stay clear of Teslas on the road.

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