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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by jacquesm »

idopmstuff wrote: post #17
jacquesm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? At least they have a driving license. That's not something we can say about this pile of crap. It cost me 2 years of my life, a small fortune at the time and a lot of hassle from the authorities before being allowed to pass so I could join in on this thing called 'traffic' with a vehicle. And I thought that was just fine. Now we get this stuff that is absolutely unverified and that is known to have issues release…

Why did it take you two years and a small fortune? It took me some reasonable number of hours over ~6 months (at the time in CA you could get your learner's permit at 15.5 and license at 16) and a couple hundred bucks for a driving instructor.

Because that's what I could afford on my then still meager salary. 45 / hour for lessons, 45 lessons, one every two weeks. In Europe the examinations are a bit more strict than in the United States and at the time you could only start your lessons when you were 18.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by yashap »

You have to be absolutely insane to beta test Tesla FSD, it’s very dangerous and full of bugs, nowhere close to ready. The only reason it’s out on public roads is because Musk is in charge, and he’s happy to take massive risks and kill people to get to market a bit faster.

Waymo, on the other hand, is actually very good. Waymo is (IMO) actually a bit better/safer than the average human driver, Tesla FSD is way, WAYYYYYYY worse than a human.

I’ve spoken with a number of ppl who’ve taken rides in both Tesla FSD and Waymo, and the reviews are unanimous. Tesla FSD makes major mistakes very regularly, you have to be taking control a lot, it’s a terrifying experience. Waymo actually drives safely and correctly, in a confidence inspiring way, with no need for human intervention.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by bestcoder69 »

baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

Self-driving cars work really well so far. But we'll see, I guess! https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/09/are-self-driving-cars-a...

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by crubier »

Tesla gets a lot of Flak, but all driving assistance systems in commercial cars today that I tried are wayyy more terrible.

My long term rental Nissan Rogue lane following system tries to kill me multiple times a day, and only disconnects with an alarm 2seconds+ after leaving the lanes.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by ryukafalz »

jacquesm wrote: post #31
idopmstuff wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did it take you two years and a small fortune? It took me some reasonable number of hours over ~6 months (at the time in CA you could get your learner's permit at 15.5 and license at 16) and a couple hundred bucks for a driving instructor.

Because that's what I could afford on my then still meager salary. 45 / hour for lessons, 45 lessons, one every two weeks. In Europe the examinations are a bit more strict than in the United States and at the time you could only start your lessons when you were 18.

> In Europe the examinations are a bit more strict than in the United States

As someone living in the US, I wish they were stricter here - I see lots of frankly dangerous behavior on the road.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by dzhiurgis »

jacquesm wrote: post #7

At least you're in the car. I'm not, and I'm also at risk, and so is my family. Proximity to Tesla is fortunately higher for Tesla owners so they are probably at higher risk from FSD than the rest of us but you really should not give control of your car to anything that says 'beta' on the tin and that regulators haven't stepped in yet is a complete mystery to me. Given the amount of requirements a vehicle (and a driv…

Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny?

I’d rather have distracted driver on autopilot over distracted driver in a car with crude ADAS.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by sebzim4500 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #16
jacquesm wrote: post #7

At least you're in the car. I'm not, and I'm also at risk, and so is my family. Proximity to Tesla is fortunately higher for Tesla owners so they are probably at higher risk from FSD than the rest of us but you really should not give control of your car to anything that says 'beta' on the tin and that regulators haven't stepped in yet is a complete mystery to me. Given the amount of requirements a vehicle (and a driv…

I’m all for the personal responsibility thing. In Canada if you do 50km/h over the limit they seize your car roadside, fine you $10k, suspend your license, and likely charge you criminally for dangerous driving. We also have private race tracks where you can take your Civic and put yourself into a wall at 170km/h if you so choose. I don’t care for arguments about safety statistics or the ends justifying the means. My…

For the most part I agree with you, but

>I don’t care for arguments about safety statistics

is insane. If it's safer it's safer, and the only way to know is statistics.

The fact that (seemingly) no government department is collecting and publishing safety statistics on every self driving car manufacturer defies belief.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by KaiserPro »

I don't understand how its possibly legal for tesla, or anyone for that matter, to be able to push out beta life critical software to the general public.

Say for example a utility company pushed out an update that flipped the power contactor between you and the grid too many times that it caught fire, the company would be taken to court.

I simply just don't understand how Tesla can get away with it.

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