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The mistake to make here is to blame Tesla. They’re just pushing their luck within the regulation, else their competitors will overtake them. The blame for this lies with the regulators.
Regulation is a trailing thing, we need people not to be default evil for us to have a society.
This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…
> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.
It's ego because it's a gold rush revenue source if it plays off and various CEOs have been pushing because while stock price is rising for the bubble, they're earning.
The mistake to make here is to blame Tesla. They’re just pushing their luck within the regulation, else their competitors will overtake them. The blame for this lies with the regulators.
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They specifically said test track. Once it's proven then put it on the roads. But in it's current state it should be severely restricted. They may need training data but then they can pay for it or pay to construct suitable tests
It's already on the road driving millions of miles. Someone should just count how many accidents it has had, and compare to how many are expected given the number of miles driven under each driving condition. If FSD has more accidents then ban it.
You can do something wrong but if it works out, hey, it’s fine right?
This also creates a wonderfully sloppy veil. Hey it’s proven safe. So we’re going to go ahead and fuck with the settings more.”
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Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? What's so special about a human brain "reasoning" while driving that AI can't do it?
The burden of proof is that something is possible not that it is not impossible. There is no evidence to suggest at this point that it is cost effective, safe or possible.
Cost effective, I don't know what this means in this context. Development costs, rider costs? I don't see why this matters.
Safety is easy to measure. Just measure crash rates.
If your concern is can we engineer a self-driving car with acceptable safety performance, there is only one way to figure that out and it's to try to build one. You're not going to somehow prove it out on paper before trying it.
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Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? What's so special about a human brain "reasoning" while driving that AI can't do it?
> Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? Seems like it'll be impossible for Tesla. It's less clear for others though, as some of them (Mercedes?) seem to be taking a more responsible development approach.
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Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny? I’d rather have distracted driver on autopilot over distracted driver in a car with crude ADAS.
It's not a binary choice: there are also simply normal, non-intoxicated, non smartphone distracted drivers.
(There are Autopilot/ADAS related deaths, though not a shocking number relatively, but that is not the same type of system and is also deployed on many other vehicles.)
This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…
> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.
If we (tech fans) really wanted to help alleviate the problems roads have (traffic, accidents, etc) - public mass transit is the way to go.
But I guess .. where’s the immediate hype-based profit in that? (think: “omg blockchain… I mean nft… I mean ai!!1!!”)
I don't understand how its possibly legal for tesla, or anyone for that matter, to be able to push out beta life critical software to the general public. Say for example a utility company pushed out an update that flipped the power contactor between you and the grid too many times that it caught fire, the company would be taken to court. I simply just don't understand how Tesla can get away with it.
I don't understand how they keep marketing this as "Full Self Driving" or "Autopilot" and then wink and say "oh lol not really, you're supposed to be driving the whole time". The very name of the product is a lie. (And that's not even counting the "Elon Mode" we've since learned is hidden in the firmware.)
The "Elon Mode" thing is an internal-only flag that nobody has been able to activate outside Tesla, and is not actually called that it's just what some guy on Twitter called it.
This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…
> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.