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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by baz00 »

drexlspivey wrote: post #65
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? What's so special about a human brain "reasoning" while driving that AI can't do it?

The burden of proof is that something is possible not that it is not impossible. There is no evidence to suggest at this point that it is cost effective, safe or possible.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by NelsonMinar »

KaiserPro wrote: post #40

I don't understand how its possibly legal for tesla, or anyone for that matter, to be able to push out beta life critical software to the general public. Say for example a utility company pushed out an update that flipped the power contactor between you and the grid too many times that it caught fire, the company would be taken to court. I simply just don't understand how Tesla can get away with it.

I don't understand how they keep marketing this as "Full Self Driving" or "Autopilot" and then wink and say "oh lol not really, you're supposed to be driving the whole time". The very name of the product is a lie.

(And that's not even counting the "Elon Mode" we've since learned is hidden in the firmware.)

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by NelsonMinar »

gameoverhumans wrote: post #3

It still blows my mind that so many people are okay with beta testing software that controls a several-tonne metal box on wheels moving at 100km/h+ on shared roadways.

It's not just the people who own the cars; everyone in proximity to a Tesla is beta testing their software.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by justinclift »

drexlspivey wrote: post #65
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? What's so special about a human brain "reasoning" while driving that AI can't do it?

> Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible?

Seems like it'll be impossible for Tesla. It's less clear for others though, as some of them (Mercedes?) seem to be taking a more responsible development approach.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by jlmorton »

baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego

This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by paulryanrogers »

baz00 wrote: post #63
sidgarimella wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ride Cruise daily– I think it's entirely a scoping problem and what they decide to finalize as "FSD". From my exp autonomous driving seems entirely plausible within large cities at slower speeds that don't instantly kill you or others, and outside that just as good a lane assist + cruise control as you can get– the rest is branding FSD and walking back a claim or two around it. It all seems very malleable.

Of course the position is malleable. The ideal end game would be a constrained system. So I mean if you put the cars on rails and gave them a dedicated space to run in, which would solve most of the determinism problems that'd be good. And you could possibly stuck a few of them together to increase overall capacity and efficiency too. We might then have a solution that's possible to execute FSD reliably on.

So... trains?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by AlotOfReading »

baz00 wrote: post #52
hakfoo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self=driving cars could be important, if we used them in ways that didn't play to the traditional car narratives. An always-connected vehicle could start to deliver some of the "system intelligence" we see in more controlled public-transit platforms. Self-driving cars should be smart enough to say "You specified a destination downtown. I will wait 4 minutes 23 seconds before departure because we'll have a peak cohort…

See now you're getting to the point but the point is that public transport is broken so we're patching it with cars. Perhaps we should be fixing that instead?

I've seen this objection a lot and I don't really understand where it comes from. The only people who can fix public transit are the government and the public. Autonomous vehicles aren't being developed by either of these groups and in no way prevent them from fixing transit.

What's the argument then? Is everyone expected to wait around until public transit is fixed before they work on something else?

AVs are complementary to public transit. You're not going to take a robotaxi from SF to SJ. You might take one to the Caltrain station on either end and avoid needing a personal vehicle at all.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by baz00 »

burkaman wrote: post #70
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

There are cheapish EVs now, you can get a Bolt or Leaf or Mini for non-luxury prices. Not as cheap as the cheapest ICE vehicles, but getting there.

Most car sales are second hand and that's a different proposition.

However on new cars, £28k for a car with 149 miles range or £20k for a car with 400 mile range that the difference in price buys you 77,000 miles of fuel?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by paulryanrogers »

HPMOR wrote: post #58
baz00 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See now you're getting to the point but the point is that public transport is broken so we're patching it with cars. Perhaps we should be fixing that instead?

This “we” you speak of is non-existent. It’s about individuals taking actions to fix the injustices and errors they see in the system. For all his faults Elon Musk does not sit on the sidelines. What you see as a transgression by him is nonetheless action, and it will not be fixed until you, or some other individual brings it upon themselves to fix it.

If only individuals could pool their ideas and resources for collective action, maybe even without a profit motive. We could call it a government.
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