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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Actually, that steering into the oncoming train is just one of several severe instances in that video: * Almost driving right into a barrier because road is closed: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=426 * Choosing the wrong lane and getting confused: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=666 * Trying to run a red light, right into traffic: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=732 * Stopping in the middle of an intersection without r…

The best part is people paid $12000 for the compute "hardware."

Yet, all the cars have it. So they are also paying for all the other cars' hardware.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #266

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You know this for an absolute fact and swear to it on first hand knowledge?

Yes, it is a certainty. Abundantly clear from direct experience myself, and consistent evidence between other experiences that it is at least a descriptor of a symptom of the increasing concern of conflict in our zeitgeist. Speak of what you know, for what you don't, be quiet. Something like that.

I will know to ignore you in the future.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #195

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> Here is another idiot "testing" it out in front a school bus. He's anything but an idiot: it helps raises awareness of the serious issues Tesla self-driving have. He was also obviously ready to act immediately, which he did, and no kids were ever at risk in that vid.

Some other individual might not be ready to act immediately. This is really where you want trained safety drivers sent by the engineering team to do targeted testing.

So he’s… still not an idiot. Maybe rethink your comment.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #170

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Seems like he had it under control, and was recording it in order to publicize the problem and possibly get it fixed.

If it was one of your kids getting off that school bus does that change your perception of the situation?

Does involving your kids turn you into an irrational reactionary?

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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??? I thought that was what it was for. Or maybe for making wacky collision vids on YouTube? Tesla just closed their whole self-driving office in San Mateo, and fired ("for poor performance") most of the staff, directing some to come to work across the bay. For now. People still employed on that activity would best update their résumés. People who paid for self-driving already? I would ask for a refund, in your shoes…

> How scummy is it to do a mass layoff, and make toxic shit up just to avoid complying with laws for mass layoffs?

??? This is California, an at-will state. Firing everyone for no reason is completely fine.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #195

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Some other individual might not be ready to act immediately. This is really where you want trained safety drivers sent by the engineering team to do targeted testing.

So he’s… still not an idiot. Maybe rethink your comment.

Nah, I stand by it, especially after how he justified it in YouTube comments. Zero reason to turn on a dangerous system in front of a school bus.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #206

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They /are/ the training data and trainers in a very literal sense. Every time they correct or take control over FSD I imagine it gets fed back into the training data. Will it ever create a fully self driving system? Maybe.

I’m sure other people use FSD as a bad chauffeur, but around town I use it when I’m willing to be extra alert and train it. There is a button I press when the car has messed up and the surrounding data gets sent back to the Tesla mothership as a defect. If I’m not willing to be in vigilance mode I just drive myself.

thanks for sharing your individual lack of experience with a broadly systemic issue (overconfidence in FSD, believing their marketing, etc)

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #237

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I disagree. When I read this: > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time. What I understand is this: Tesla cars come with hardware capable of providing features for the Autopilot system and come with full self driving capabilities. The functionality related to these c…

It is intended to be parsed as: The cars come with advanced hardware. What is the hardware capable of? It is capable of self driving. How will the hardware achieve the thing it is capable of? Through software updates (that have not yet landed)

That might be what some weaselly lawyer argues it means in court, or what someone deeply familiar with it all would infer. But in no way is that how any reasonable lay person would read it.

"Improve functionality over time" implies that the basic functionality of full self-driving is there already, and that it will be improved. No reasonable person would take it to mean "does not exist yet, and may never do".

They would also take "capable of" to mean "right now", not at some nebulous point in the future, especially given the context of the feature being a paid upgrade.

The definition of "full" is "not lacking or omitting anything; complete". One might reasonably expect "full self-driving" to mean a human does not need to intervene or monitor. I.e. What the industry commonly calls autonomous driving level 5. They clarify what they mean elsewhere on their web site:

> Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability > are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their > hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. > While these features are designed to become more capable over time, > the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous.

So they don't even claim level 1 autonomy.

Even with your version, the hardware may very well never be capable of full self-driving at all. There's no evidence to suggest it will be - hopes, dreams and promises don't count. And they've done an upgrade on the earlier-gen Model S cars already, where they presumably made similar claims.

The whole thing is misleading at best, downright trading standards fraud at worst.

For what it's worth, my Model 3's carriageway departure warning kicks in randomly and the amount of phantom braking it does even on basic cruise control is terrible. Autopilot is worse. I find monitoring it in autopilot mode significantly more stressful than just driving the car myself. I wouldn't trust FSD at all, and certainly not enough to want to fork out the silly money it is.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is a certainty. Abundantly clear from direct experience myself, and consistent evidence between other experiences that it is at least a descriptor of a symptom of the increasing concern of conflict in our zeitgeist. Speak of what you know, for what you don't, be quiet. Something like that.

I will know to ignore you in the future.

What a delightful strategy to propagate conflict toward resolution.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Tesla is far ahead. Cruise was literally in the news like 2 days ago because their entire fleet just stopped driving in the middle of an intersection and dozens of their staff had to drive out to the cars and manually take them back to the parking lot. Cruise works (except for when it doesn't) in extremely specific geofenced areas in very low traffic. Tesla works anywhere and in a lot more conditions.

I opted out of FSD because it doesn’t work. I don’t get how people can keep saying it works. It’s incredibly dangerous to say that.

If your standard for "works" is 100% flawless driving then you should probably opt out of human driving too since that also doesn't work
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