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Why is the US allowing this beta testing of a feature that impacts safety to continue? There have to be at least dozens of documented cases of this being unsafe. Have regulators just given up or are they that incompetent?
The human in the loop seems to catch the mistake just fine? Doesn't seem to be even remotely close to an accident?
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If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that having machines making mistakes maybe ok if it's statistically less likely to happen than humans?
I'm asking the question of how common it is. If I understand you correctly, self-driving should be banned if there's 1 error?
Unfortunately it sucks for all the innocent people on the train.
Why is the US allowing this beta testing of a feature that impacts safety to continue? There have to be at least dozens of documented cases of this being unsafe. Have regulators just given up or are they that incompetent?
Now there is a good argument that as FSD gets better it actually gets less safe, because drivers stop paying attention if it rarely makes a mistake. I think you can battle this kind of attention fatigue by making simple driving L4, but require attention for unprotected lefts and other more risky moments. Of course they'd need to have that approved, but having millions of vehicles on the road they should quickly be able to prove which kinds of driving FSD can do well enough for L4. To be clear: at of right now there is no kind of driving it can do to that safety level.
Why is the US allowing this beta testing of a feature that impacts safety to continue? There have to be at least dozens of documented cases of this being unsafe. Have regulators just given up or are they that incompetent?
https://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/uks7c2/unprot...
(No accident, the driver just gets stuck when the light changes.)
Here's a recent video of a Tesla driver videoing his car making the same unprotected left multiple times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Kvsq9xB8c
Given how much supervision it requires, I don't see the advantage of letting the car do the driving here.
Why is Tesla so far behind? Tesla is generating these autopilot mishap news on such a regular basis that it is giving the entire industry a bad name.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102922330/driverless-self-dr...
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Oh man, they're not using lidar? I had no idea, that's crazy they're just putting cars on the road just cameras and AI. Jeez.
Elon thinks that because humans can do all this with two eyes his cars should be able to do it with just cameras. Literal truth.
To Musk and his goblins, that's basically just cameras. But it's okay, people keep assuring me he's a great engineer.
Or a complete fucking sociopath that's lied his way to success but hey
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If I understand you correctly, you're arguing that having machines making mistakes maybe ok if it's statistically less likely to happen than humans?
I'm asking the question of how common it is. If I understand you correctly, self-driving should be banned if there's 1 error?
Neither of those conditions are the case. I'd appreciate it if people would stop trying to use statistics to gove an unproven system being tested with a fundamentally unsafe methodology with minimal experimental controls a free pass.
* Almost driving right into a barrier because road is closed: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=426
* Choosing the wrong lane and getting confused: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=666
* Trying to run a red light, right into traffic: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=732
* Stopping in the middle of an intersection without reason: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=789
* Choosing the wrong lane for a left turn: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=805
* Constantly activating and deactivating the left turn-signal without reason (you can't even turn left there): https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=902
* Unable to make a proper left turn, almost running into pedestrians: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=1033
All of this during maybe 30min of driving. Also, these are just the most severe instances, the Tesla just drives very awkwardly. It is changing lanes way too often (also on intersections) without rhyme or reason, and it weirdly creeps forward during red lights, getting very close to crossing traffic, for no reason at all.
All in all, this is an incredibly poor performance.