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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by mrkentutbabi »

hubraumhugo wrote: post #45

This reminds me of the book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker. He writes about the centrality of sleep to the proper development of young minds. Early school starting times – particularly in the US, where almost half of public high schools start before 7.20am – are disastrous for the mental health of teenagers. There is serious evidence, Walker suggests, for viewing lack of sleep as a factor in the onset of depression…

other countries such as 3rd world countries started school early, seem they aren't stupider than US kids, quite the contrary....

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by rhino369 »

blitzar wrote: post #42
hooande wrote: post #27

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Only a small percentage of students take part in any extracurricular, especially the time intensive ones. Better to let everyone sleep in and let various sports and clubs find ways to adapt their schedules

100% of children should do sports, music, etc, especially time intensive ones (especially at a young age) not a small percentage.

If 100% should--an I sort of agree--then it should be built into the school day a bit better.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by sersi »

White_Wolf wrote: post #91
sersi wrote: post #59

I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

1AM? you are tough mate. I was in bed by 10PM-10:30 in high school, broken in every sense of the word. If I was lucky I could actually pull off a 11PM but it was rare.

Oh I was tired just wasn't able to sleep... Once I left high school and started university, I did pretty well on a schedule of sleeping at 1/2 am and waking up around 9:30 before going to class (unfortunately skipping any classes that were scheduled from 8 to 10).

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by vertnerd »

I taught high school remotely in the spring of 2020 and I thought it was wonderful. Medical professionals reported a large uptick in mental health issues for teens and consequently our district will probably never close like that again (but think of the children!). From my perspective, however, I noted that many of my students who were miserable in school due to social issues flourished during the shutdown. Personally, I never felt better (sleep!) and the experience has prompted me to plan towards early retirement.

I always wondered if the medical professionals in our area fully understood the impact on ALL our students and not just the ones who normally flourish with in-person schooling.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by johnchristopher »

sersi wrote: post #59

I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

> I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France.

I see you too practiced the fine arts of the tight schedule between snoozing the alarm clock and catching the bus :].

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by ModernMech »

JPKab wrote: post #48
Extropy_ wrote: post #13

I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

https://gbdeclaration.org/ I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. It shouldn't have happened. After the first few months the data was very clear that schools were safe to open. They absolutely shouldn't be closed right now. You are a victim of cowardly bureaucrats and powerful and wealthy elderly people who desperately want to cling to more years of their lives despite already being at the end. They don't care…

> When you see people walking around outside wearing masks, know that they have bought into a foolish lie completely removed from any form of science.

It's 19F outside right now. I wear a mask outside because it keeps my face warm. No idea why people haven't been doing this all along. That you just assume everyone wearing a mask outdoors is a rube says more about you than them. Your post isn't being downvoted by fools and cowards, it's being downvoted because it's rude and condescending.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by nsxwolf »

wobblybubble wrote: post #137
bsagdiyev wrote: post #123

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Redefining a word to only be offensive is silly. Some words are bad, full stop. Other words have definitions that pre-date their offensive usage and are still used in regular speech. Pointing this out to someone looking to be offended is an attempt to fight back at that nonsense. The original comment asking to use a different word was unnecessary and not relevant to the discussion in any way.

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Personally I don't see why I should immediately capitulate when these ludicrous demands are made. Defending the use of the word "retarded" is low effort and low risk, and I'll continue to do that even if it sidetracks conversations.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by sergers »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #134
AuthorizedCust wrote: post #132

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I would hesitate at using that book. Riddled with errors or non-factual stuff. Been discussed previously here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546850

I bought the latest version and he seems to have addressed the problems brought up there. All books are gonna have errors especially in their first version. Doesn't mean it's better to just never read anything about any subject.

I bought the original.

It's a good read but yea the guy wrote in depth into false claims , and only changed what he wrote based on pushback in a new book.

I chalk it up to more than just errors.

His new book "new science..." This "science" was available at time of his original publishing of first version

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

wobblybubble wrote: post #120
bsagdiyev wrote: post #22

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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“Retard” is often used as a pejorative. I’ve never heard “retardation” used as a pejorative, when people use that word they seem to be using it correctly in a non offensive context.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by [deleted] »

ianai wrote: post #148
GordonS wrote: post #102

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I was the same as a kid - I really struggled with the early mornings, and could never sleep before midnight. Come the weekend, and I was so tired I'd sleep until midday. When I first started at high school, I was a great student, for example winning multiple prizes over the first 18 months. But the tiredness really took a toll, and for most of the rest of school I was a half zombie - I still did well at school, but I…

Just start school later in the day. That's the solution. The real problem is that the rest of society wants to start at set times. People don't want their kids "home alone" after they've left for work or before they come home from work. All of society just isn't geared toward flexibility for its constituents.

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