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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by baq »

andi999 wrote: post #14
poulsbohemian wrote: post #8

In spite of national and state level legislation aimed to standardize schooling, the reality is that education tends to be a local product. That is - I’ve heard bad stories from parents in parts of the country and world, but locally our kids really didn’t experience much negative. Our superintendent ordered chromebooks and hot spots for the district in December 2019 (!!!) because he was so afraid of what was coming.…

I think your superintendent ordering chromebooks in dez 2019 is great, but how did he know. Basically the first whistle blowing was on 30.12.19 : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

Don’t remember the detailed timeline, but there were popular subreddits with reports from China and individual people were definitely taking action. Even r/wsb was in on the stock market crash back in January.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by xkbarkar »

xondono wrote: post #78
another_story wrote: post #18

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I think a huge part of the problem with the American education system is exemplified right here with belittling the role of teachers.

To be fair, the average teacher in most countries is quite bad . Like it or not, schooling was originally designed as a daycare that teaches conformity and compliance. The idea that we can change that by improving things at the margins is IMO ludicrous.

Not at all. Mass schooling eas originally designed to teach the low-skilled to work on complicated machines in large factories.

Modern society demands both parents working, a single parent can no longer cover even the cost of housing for an entire family. As is has become so expensive.

Let alone medical expenses, hobbies, tutition etc.

tldr; Schools turned into daycare facilites when housing became so expesive that both parents must work full time.

That is maybe 40 years ago.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by watwut »

xondono wrote: post #78
another_story wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a huge part of the problem with the American education system is exemplified right here with belittling the role of teachers.

To be fair, the average teacher in most countries is quite bad . Like it or not, schooling was originally designed as a daycare that teaches conformity and compliance. The idea that we can change that by improving things at the margins is IMO ludicrous.

At the time when schooling started, 6 years old kids were not considered to need babysitting or daycare. They were to large extend able to move around the world independently. If they were not in school, they either did useful work for parents, in shops or played with other kids (or did mess on the streets).

The origin of kindergarten is daycare - for 4 years old playing in streets with literally zero adult supervision.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by Claude_Shannon »

refurb wrote: post #77
hubraumhugo wrote: post #45

This reminds me of the book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker. He writes about the centrality of sleep to the proper development of young minds. Early school starting times – particularly in the US, where almost half of public high schools start before 7.20am – are disastrous for the mental health of teenagers. There is serious evidence, Walker suggests, for viewing lack of sleep as a factor in the onset of depression…

Did that guy just make up a lot of what’s in the book?

Do you know more about that? It is the first time I hear of that.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by vladvasiliu »

xondono wrote: post #97
vladvasiliu wrote: post #89

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I'm actually in Paris, but grated, I have no idea how things are in Barcelona or London. I agree that transportation here has many issues and I absolutely hate it, but when I was a kid [0] I could get to school fine with the suburban train. My classmates had no issue getting there with the bus (regular, not school bus). > Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin jus…

At what age where you riding the train by yourself?

I was around 15, when I started high-school.

Before that, schools tend to be denser. Because I had to attend some special classes, I couldn't go to my local school and needed to go a further one. It was a 30-minute walk.

Normally, kids would go to their local schools, of which I passed one on my way. My local one was in the opposite direction, 2 minutes away from my house.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by d33 »

Claude_Shannon wrote: post #114
refurb wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did that guy just make up a lot of what’s in the book?

Do you know more about that? It is the first time I hear of that.

https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by jon-wood »

xondono wrote: post #73
vladvasiliu wrote: post #29

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As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

Did you just claim London has inadequate public transport? When I lived there I had 24 hour busses that could get me from one side of the city to the other, three different train lines, a boat route, and public cycles within walking distance of my flat.

Sure, maybe in smaller cities that’s a problem, but honestly if you’re choosing to drive round London then you’re taking a massively suboptimal method of transport.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by [deleted] »

kristopolous wrote: post #49
blitzar wrote: post #42

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100% of children should do sports, music, etc, especially time intensive ones (especially at a young age) not a small percentage.

Yes. Arguably the more important societal benefit to learn in school is the soft skills of sociability, teamwork, and things in that class. We certainly need the doctors and engineers of tomorrow, but they won't be very useful without healthy functioning societies in which can exercise these skills. We also need a bunch of artisanal non-knowledge workers and laborers and should stop pretending those are inferior care…

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by wobblybubble »

bsagdiyev wrote: post #22
aaomidi wrote: post #19

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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