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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by chrisandchris »

etchalon wrote: post #5
throwawayboise wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

I think discussing this topic without mentioning the country you live in is not meaningful. I assume you are not Swiss (as the article is from a swiss university)?

Because I am and I went to school by bus beginning with 12 years, and busses here are reliable (like "by minute reliable").

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by bsagdiyev »

aaomidi wrote: post #19
silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by shafyy »

etchalon wrote: post #5
throwawayboise wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

In the US, maybe. In Europe, it's very unusual for a kid older than ~9 years to be driven to school.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by watwut »

kristopolous wrote: post #12
silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10? Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work. I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing footb…

Nah, they will move after. So then we will discuss issue of teenagers never seeing sun. And then teenagers will move late activities even later and push sleep time 2-3 hours up, to make up for it. Then we will discuss that 10am is absurdly soon.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by ungruntled »

aaomidi wrote: post #19
silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

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I think the post was clear as to which meaning they were referring to. I would also argue that ‘slow’ is frequently used in the same way as one the one that you are concerned with.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by brnt »

silisili wrote: post #6
throwawayboise wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

I'm in complete agreement, but 13 year olds cannot secure their own transportation. Most school districts I've lived in seem designed to ensure parents drive their kids to school. As an example, my current district won't offer a bus unless you live more than 3 miles away. 3 miles is a giant distant to walk every morning. Luckily, we live about a half mile away and she bikes to school. I wouldn't let her bike 3 miles,…

> but 13 year olds cannot secure their own transportation.

Pretty much everyone here bikes to work at that age. Even if its 20km through wind and rain. On top of that, being dropped off by mommy and daddy does not impress your fellow students!

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by hooande »

kristopolous wrote: post #12
silisili wrote: post #2

And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10? Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work. I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing footb…

Only a small percentage of students take part in any extracurricular, especially the time intensive ones. Better to let everyone sleep in and let various sports and clubs find ways to adapt their schedules

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by math_denial »

shafyy wrote: post #23
etchalon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

In the US, maybe. In Europe, it's very unusual for a kid older than ~9 years to be driven to school.

it depends where in Europe. Where I live at least 70% of high-schooler were driven to school.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by vladvasiliu »

etchalon wrote: post #5
throwawayboise wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue.

I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus.

Yet, school still started very early, a little past 8:00 AM. I absolutely loathed having to get up so early in the morning (7-ish) and used to be half asleep for the first few periods.

While US issues around transportation certainly don't help, there must be something else going on with the school schedules since they seem to be roughly the same in areas where transportation is not an issue.

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[0] I know there were exceptions for kids living far away, I was one of them since we moved during high-school, but I didn't change schools. However, this is absolutely not the norm where I grew up.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by wilbdhm »

bsagdiyev wrote: post #22
aaomidi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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