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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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that is a failing of the school district not the parent...

True. If anything it's a failing of civil engineering though, I guess. My area is nothing but subdivisions connected by high speed hiways.

Ahh the american dream.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10? Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work. I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing footb…

Only a small percentage of students take part in any extracurricular, especially the time intensive ones. Better to let everyone sleep in and let various sports and clubs find ways to adapt their schedules

100% of children should do sports, music, etc, especially time intensive ones (especially at a young age) not a small percentage.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I am a father of two middle-schoolers. The period of school closures / distance learning was the worst in my life as a parent.

I'm a father of an 11 and a 13 year old. and the School from home lockdown period was fine for us. no real issues. I worked, I set them up with PC's and good internet. all was handled fairly easily.

Could easily do it all again if we had to. but I doubt we will. (australia)

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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This reminds me of the book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker. He writes about the centrality of sleep to the proper development of young minds. Early school starting times – particularly in the US, where almost half of public high schools start before 7.20am – are disastrous for the mental health of teenagers. There is serious evidence, Walker suggests, for viewing lack of sleep as a factor in the onset of depression and schizophrenia.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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Looked it up. I use it correctly, as do each of my kids and their friends. What's your point?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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I am well aware of this. That doesn’t negate my point or the actual, correct usage of the word in non offensive fashion. There is a difference between “retarding” as is used here and calling someone ”retarded” as an insult. The difference seems to be lost on the perpetually offended.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

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I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. It shouldn't have happened. After the first few months the data was very clear that schools were safe to open. They absolutely shouldn't be closed right now.

You are a victim of cowardly bureaucrats and powerful and wealthy elderly people who desperately want to cling to more years of their lives despite already being at the end. They don't care at all if they rob you of your future. They tell themselves little lies like "kids are resilient" to make themselves feel better.

They were wrong to tell people they couldn't go to playgrounds and ignore the early science that showed that the virus didn't spread outdoors. They've never apologized for that mistake. When you see people walking around outside wearing masks, know that they have bought into a foolish lie completely removed from any form of science.

Your teachers were all too happy to have the schools closed despite being in age groups where they were also not majorly at risk especially after being vaccinated.

I live in Colorado, and we are now at a point in this state where omicron is the dominant strain. Everyone here is catching it and waking up to the fact that it's a cold and very little more. Your schools are being shut for no reason other than cowardice.

Don't be afraid to call it what it is. You are surrounded by cowards. Cowards are always quick to call the brave foolish and reckless. It's how they make themselves feel better.

Look around you and learn. You are witnessing a reality that I was naive to for far too long: Most people would rather do what is popular than what is right. Education is not inoculation to groupthink. Rather, it often is paired with brainwashing and a propensity to outsource critical thinking to central authority figures.

If you add up all of the deaths from this virus under the age of 40, they make up less than 1% of the total. Your education was sacrificed to protect a population of people that are no longer working or paying taxes. In Japan when the nuclear accident at Fukushima happened, older plant workers stepped up to walk into the radiation to spare younger generations. In our society we did the opposite.

I hope you have a good home life because that would make you one of the more fortunate victims of these foolish lockdowns. I grew up in an abusive home in the rural southern United States. There were weeks where I begged for Monday morning to come as soon as possible so I could escape. School was a refuge for me. And and there are many many children with far worse homes than I had who were forced to be shut into them with abusive parents who were put into an even worse mood then they were typically in before the pandemic. The statistics on child abuse show this as well.

Like the fools in my nation who rushed us into the Iraq war on false pretenses, the people who are wrong now will never admit it. As the years go by and it becomes more clear that this was utter foolishness, many will pretend that they were opposed to the lockdowns and these other ridiculous policies. They will be lying.

I have two children of my own. My wife works as a kindergarten teacher. The children she is seeing in her classroom now are incredibly stunted. Every day she comes home with new stories about how bad it is. They have been locked in their houses for 2 years, given iPads as babysitters by lazy or tired or emotionally exhausted parents. It's an utter horror what the cowards have done to our children.

I know this comment will be downloaded to oblivion by the cowards. They are the majority of the people on this website. They're the majority in tech now. Most will never start companies. They just follow the path laid out for them, study algorithm interview books, and go get a desk at Google working on a widget in a product that nobody cares about it or will ever see. They all owe you an apology but they will never apologize or admit they were wrong.

On behalf of them I am sorry. Many of us tried to stop them but we were censored, we were ridiculed, we were mocked, we were fired. There were many who would raise questions about the lockdowns in private, but in public they would go along with the crowd like the cowards they were. Never be one of those. They are the worst of us.

The fact that you're on this website is a good sign so I'm sure you're going to be alright. But you're at a good age to recognize how foolish many of the adults around you are. I was in that place when I was your age.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Only a small percentage of students take part in any extracurricular, especially the time intensive ones. Better to let everyone sleep in and let various sports and clubs find ways to adapt their schedules

100% of children should do sports, music, etc, especially time intensive ones (especially at a young age) not a small percentage.

Yes. Arguably the more important societal benefit to learn in school is the soft skills of sociability, teamwork, and things in that class.

We certainly need the doctors and engineers of tomorrow, but they won't be very useful without healthy functioning societies in which can exercise these skills.

We also need a bunch of artisanal non-knowledge workers and laborers and should stop pretending those are inferior careers. A hard working, say, trashman is just as dignified as any other profession and if that's in someone's future, then we should make sure they can take and do the job with pride.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I am well aware of this. That doesn’t negate my point or the actual, correct usage of the word in non offensive fashion. There is a difference between “retarding” as is used here and calling someone ”retarded” as an insult. The difference seems to be lost on the perpetually offended.

If you use it to insult and offend, is that allowed or met with pitchforks in the US? Where I live there are many Irish, Scottisch and non native English, people use it all the time; to describe slow people and to offend. No one cares (even if they are the ones being offended). But when one of the Irish guys used it to offend a US couple who were vocal flatearthers, because they were flatearthers. Wow, that turned I a huge shouting match. Of course they left as, again, no-one here cares so they shouted and made a big stink but everyone was, eh yeah, whatever. In that case I am not sure if they were offended because of the use and connotations of the specific word (aka if he called them dumb, stupid, slow, backward etc they would have responded differently) or they were just offended. I think the latter and they used the woke thing as an excuse. But maybe that is not true: couldn't ask them in that state but I was curious.
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