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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10? Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work. I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing footb…

I work in the lab of the author of this study. I can tell you that this was also a concern of the high school students; they were given a questionnaire about when THEY would like to start school, and they only wanted to shift start times by about half an hour for this very reason, and were concerned about when to compensate for the time, preferring shorter breaks than ending later. Fortunately for them, Swiss high school schedules are crazy with lots of big gaps, so improvements can be made to start times before sacrificing end times.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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Do you find the term "fire retardant" offensive?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I am well aware of this. That doesn’t negate my point or the actual, correct usage of the word in non offensive fashion. There is a difference between “retarding” as is used here and calling someone ”retarded” as an insult. The difference seems to be lost on the perpetually offended.

If you use it to insult and offend, is that allowed or met with pitchforks in the US? Where I live there are many Irish, Scottisch and non native English, people use it all the time; to describe slow people and to offend. No one cares (even if they are the ones being offended). But when one of the Irish guys used it to offend a US couple who were vocal flatearthers, because they were flatearthers. Wow, that turned I…

I think that depends on your audience. I’ve worked with some people who looked at me like I just kicked their dog if I used it to refer to something as dumb in an offensive manner. Others don’t care.

Personally I’ve tried to curb my use of the offensive definition/use of the word to be respectful but don’t yell at people who do use it that way.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

Sounds like quality of public transport problem. Also, high schoolers are fully competent not to miss busses.

Actually, most of them are not, but that's a learning opportunity! :-)

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. I went to several schools and kids being driven to school has always been an exception. They mostly walked or took public transport [0]. My sister went to high-school in a more rural area (read far-away suburb) and kids from the surrounding towns used to take the school bus. Yet, school still started very early, a…

> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue.

Having spent many hours on the Parisian metro, there’s no chance I’d let my children anywhere near it. Even supervised.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Agree. If you have to clarify usage use a more precise word…

This is a case where the word used was the precise one and other uses, where that word is used imprecisely, are offensive.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week.

Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either lie in bed thinking, or use my radio alarm clock light to read books. Honestly, I think I would have been healthier and enjoyed school a lot more if school had started 90 minutes later.

That's definitely a criteria I'd look out for when choosing a school for my son.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

Thinking that lockdowns are a solution to anything, including a pandemic, was a neat way to drive many people insane. I won’t tell my personal… happenings… but I double on your difficulty.

It was a good meassure when there weren't any alternatives.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-lockdowns-idUSK...

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