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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by maccard » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:16 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #107

maccard wrote: post #92

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The restrictions are definitely not the same as they were 2 years ago when this all started. Schools shut, everyone working from home, no bar/cafe/restaurants, no outdoor social activities qas what we had then. In the last two weeks I've been to a bar twice and the cinema. I don't know of anywhere in the world (but could be wrong) that is still in that form of lock down right now.

Depends where you are? Two years ago Canada didn’t have many restrictions at all. Masks weren’t even a requirement in all provinces. Ontario, Canada just cranked up restrictions. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/public-health-measures Quebec now has curfew, primary schools closed. All public events canceled. https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/sante/documents/Pr...

2 years ago exactly, yes but in the spirit of HN you should take the best possible reading. If you compare to March 2020 instead the restrictions are still less than they were then.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by AuthorizedCust » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

boringds wrote: post #93

sersi wrote: post #59

I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

In Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker there is a fascinating chapter about how teenagers are biologically programmed to sleep later and wake up later as well. He then explains that basically sending teenagers to school early in the morning is terrible health-wise and prevents optimal brain development. Anecdata of course but I remember much like you being extremely sleepy at school all day and sleeping a lot on weekends.

I would hesitate at using that book. Riddled with errors or non-factual stuff. Been discussed previously here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546850

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by LocalH » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:23 PM UTC

xkbarkar wrote: post #112

xondono wrote: post #78

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To be fair, the average teacher in most countries is quite bad . Like it or not, schooling was originally designed as a daycare that teaches conformity and compliance. The idea that we can change that by improving things at the margins is IMO ludicrous.

Not at all. Mass schooling eas originally designed to teach the low-skilled to work on complicated machines in large factories. Modern society demands both parents working, a single parent can no longer cover even the cost of housing for an entire family. As is has become so expensive. Let alone medical expenses, hobbies, tutition etc. tldr; Schools turned into daycare facilites when housing became so expesive that b…

This is the natural result when society is designed in some way to extract everything possible from every individual. Basic survival is monetized, promises are broken, in a race to the bottom.

Modern society itself is the problem.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by maximus-decimus » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

AuthorizedCust wrote: post #132

boringds wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker there is a fascinating chapter about how teenagers are biologically programmed to sleep later and wake up later as well. He then explains that basically sending teenagers to school early in the morning is terrible health-wise and prevents optimal brain development. Anecdata of course but I remember much like you being extremely sleepy at school all day and sleeping a lot on weekends.

I would hesitate at using that book. Riddled with errors or non-factual stuff. Been discussed previously here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546850

I bought the latest version and he seems to have addressed the problems brought up there.

All books are gonna have errors especially in their first version. Doesn't mean it's better to just never read anything about any subject.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by c7DJTLrn » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:48 PM UTC

I used to fall asleep on my bus journey and in class. I was punished for cheating because I had opened a test without realising what it was. Granted, I stayed awake into the early hours of the morning reading books but I still think schools should be starting much later. Though, schools are primarily daycares, so that wouldn't work.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by skeeter2020 » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:57 PM UTC

Important Note: this is a press release for a study linked at the bottom that cannot be found in the target system. I'd really appreciate if we tried to post the original paper vs. the university's PR piece when submitting this sort of topic. As is, all I got out of it was the headline "Teenagers prefer to sleep in later", because there's no mention of the methodology or underlying data supporting any claims specific to the experiment we're all currently running.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by wobblybubble » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

bsagdiyev wrote: post #123

wobblybubble wrote: post #120

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Redefining a word to only be offensive is silly. Some words are bad, full stop. Other words have definitions that pre-date their offensive usage and are still used in regular speech. Pointing this out to someone looking to be offended is an attempt to fight back at that nonsense. The original comment asking to use a different word was unnecessary and not relevant to the discussion in any way.

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 2:00 PM UTC

skeeter2020 wrote: post #136

Important Note: this is a press release for a study linked at the bottom that cannot be found in the target system. I'd really appreciate if we tried to post the original paper vs. the university's PR piece when submitting this sort of topic. As is, all I got out of it was the headline "Teenagers prefer to sleep in later", because there's no mention of the methodology or underlying data supporting any claims specific…

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by rustoo » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 2:01 PM UTC

skeeter2020 wrote: post #136

Important Note: this is a press release for a study linked at the bottom that cannot be found in the target system. I'd really appreciate if we tried to post the original paper vs. the university's PR piece when submitting this sort of topic. As is, all I got out of it was the headline "Teenagers prefer to sleep in later", because there's no mention of the methodology or underlying data supporting any claims specific…

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/articlepdf/...

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by 8bitsrule » Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 2:25 PM UTC

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #98

sersi wrote: post #59

I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

We rejected several schools last year for exactly this reason. One in particular made a huge virtue out of being super early. That one we didn't even bother assessing on other dimensions.

> a huge virtue out of being super early

'Early to bed, early to rise,' said Ben Franklin. Great advice for those whose chronotypes match this attitude. Not for the other 40% though ... for them, this 'virtue' is an inescapable prison.

"In morning people, sleep drive and chronotype tend to be aligned. Their internal clocks are pretty well synchronized with their over-all energy levels. For night owls, however, things get complicated. When the sun comes up, the light resets their circadian clocks, telling them to wake up. But, because of their chronotypes, they don’t have much energy and they want to go back to sleep." - [https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/moral-morn...]