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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by mariodiana »

Tycho wrote: post #92
comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Have you noticed the Dem-media-academia bloc seem to lionise some of the shiftiest people when they should really know better - Avenatti - Cuomo - Lincoln Project Not too confident about Fauci and Schiff.

What did all these people have in common? I can't imagine.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by DoingSomeThings »

comodore_ wrote: post #118
gnicholas wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020 Actually, it was covered in May of 2020 in the Daily Wire. https://www.dailywire.com/news/ny-health-dept-admits-to-unde...

insane, I wonder how many have heard of this for the first time today or are still unaware because the mainstream media never picked it up or is memory-holing this

I've started following two sources to help address this for myself.

Tangle is a daily newsletter that provides links to coverage from both sides. VERY fair reporting. Ground News highlights stories that have been covered by only one side of the aisle.

https://www.readtangle.com/ https://ground.news/

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by bradlys »

StandardFuture wrote: post #126
hpcjoe wrote: post #104

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Yeah ... I hear otherwise intelligent friends (folks with PhDs, MDs, etc.) effectively parroting crap you would hear on their favorite news channel. You can tell what they watch by listening to what they say. I think the "smarter" one is, the more gullible they are. As someone with a PhD, I try very hard not to be gullible ... I can't say I always succeed. But I am highly skeptical of everything I hear/read. That ske…

Being educated != being smart. Intelligence is a biological phenotype of neurological potential. It's distribution is set in stone across humanity. Being lucky and born into a family that can afford your higher education that will grant you a title has nothing to do with biological intelligence. In other words, a lot of very stupid people with PhDs and MDs can parrot mass media like the "low IQ" individuals that they…

I don’t know if I’d go that far with the set in stone nature.

I’d just say that even if someone is educated well in one field - it doesn’t mean that they’re generally well educated or that they have good critical thinking skills outside of their field. I’m surrounded by PhDs - they’re all great at their field, terrible at everything else. Min/Maxed their stats very hard there.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by zwily »

specialp wrote: post #29
kbelder wrote: post #5

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While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

I am a New Yorker that had a relative die of COVID in a nursing home last year. I could understand the decision at first because they were literally constructing hospitals on athletic fields at my local university to deal with the packed hospitals. But own up to it and don't cover it up. Regardless of your political persuasion what Cuomo did is wrong by covering it up. We can't have 2 standards for politicians based…

Did those hospitals ever get used? I heard some reports that the auxiliary hospitals brought to NYC (especially the floating Navy(?) one) never even saw patients, for lots of obnoxious red-tape reasons.

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Post by StandardFuture »

bradlys wrote: post #163
StandardFuture wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being educated != being smart. Intelligence is a biological phenotype of neurological potential. It's distribution is set in stone across humanity. Being lucky and born into a family that can afford your higher education that will grant you a title has nothing to do with biological intelligence. In other words, a lot of very stupid people with PhDs and MDs can parrot mass media like the "low IQ" individuals that they…

I don’t know if I’d go that far with the set in stone nature. I’d just say that even if someone is educated well in one field - it doesn’t mean that they’re generally well educated or that they have good critical thinking skills outside of their field. I’m surrounded by PhDs - they’re all great at their field, terrible at everything else. Min/Maxed their stats very hard there.

>I don’t know if I’d go that far with the set in stone nature.

It's a stone that will only be moved by future technology. Perhaps a mastery of biology/neurology or more. Until then, it is essentially unchangeable.

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Post by WalterGR »

timr wrote: post #158
WalterGR wrote: post #155

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Here's the March 26, 2020 report Okay. And the revised reports?

I don't care what they did after they knew the answer . In the one prospective test that mattered, they utterly, hilariously failed. And in the process they caused huge collateral damage to society. This is why, in most fields of modeling with any intellectual rigor, we have blinded prospective tests.

Which report(s) were cited in the official reports / documents recommending / specifying mitigation strategies? Is there a timeline anywhere?

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Post by nickalaso »

hpcjoe wrote: post #104
lotsofpulp wrote: post #59

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I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not very adept at critical thinking.

Yeah ... I hear otherwise intelligent friends (folks with PhDs, MDs, etc.) effectively parroting crap you would hear on their favorite news channel. You can tell what they watch by listening to what they say. I think the "smarter" one is, the more gullible they are. As someone with a PhD, I try very hard not to be gullible ... I can't say I always succeed. But I am highly skeptical of everything I hear/read. That ske…

I believe it has something to do with someones level of "institutionalization", or perhaps, how comfortable they are with institutions and authorities themselves.

A PhD holder is a PhD holder, at least in part, because they trusted that the many 1000's of hours of study and hard work they put into to receive a certificate from an institution was worth it. And this is because they, at some level, trust the institution itself.

Presumably this trust can also transfer to other "authorities", like US cable new media companies.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by specialp »

zwily wrote: post #164
specialp wrote: post #29

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I am a New Yorker that had a relative die of COVID in a nursing home last year. I could understand the decision at first because they were literally constructing hospitals on athletic fields at my local university to deal with the packed hospitals. But own up to it and don't cover it up. Regardless of your political persuasion what Cuomo did is wrong by covering it up. We can't have 2 standards for politicians based…

Did those hospitals ever get used? I heard some reports that the auxiliary hospitals brought to NYC (especially the floating Navy(?) one) never even saw patients, for lots of obnoxious red-tape reasons.

No not really. The literal field hospitals were not done before the spike subsided, and the ship saw only a few patients. The ship was specifically NOT for covid patients, and so few patients that were not COVID were coming in. And yes there was a lot of red tape to get someone there.

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Post by orestarod »

jmcqk6 wrote: post #116
hpcjoe wrote: post #100

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I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the "media" protects him. Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk a long time ago. The "media" is complicit.

>I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. Look harder then. They're not difficult to find. When you treat "media" as a monolithic, moving with unified purpose, you're going to make mistakes just like this one. "media" is diverse enough that you kind people you can disagree with when you look. So it's no doubt true that there is media out there that is defending Cuomo. But that doesn't…

The media is as diverse as the set of their independent owners. And what you get from any news channel is the view its owners want to show you. Thinking otherwise is plain naive as I see it.

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Post by lenkite »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

This was fist reported as early as May 2020 in the dailycaller - so-called extreme right wing media and "fact-checked" by the MSM as lies and ring-wing propaganda.

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1356655957976244225 https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/15/new-york-coronavirus-repo...

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