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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

NPR covered the AG finding quite a bit https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0... As did The NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/nyregion/nursing-home-dea...

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Have you noticed the Dem-media-academia bloc seem to lionise some of the shiftiest people when they should really know better - Avenatti - Cuomo - Lincoln Project Not too confident about Fauci and Schiff.

I remember reading quite a bit about Cuomo's mistakes last summer in liberal media, but apparently it didn't change the dominant narrative. Here's one article:

Democrats gave a hero’s welcome to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo despite his mistake-filled early response to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/cuomo-n...

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yes, unreal. Also all this took place when he received a multi million dollar advance for his book "American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic", and remember this crazy thing https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-p... how is any of this real?!?!

I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not very adept at critical thinking.

Yeah ... I hear otherwise intelligent friends (folks with PhDs, MDs, etc.) effectively parroting crap you would hear on their favorite news channel. You can tell what they watch by listening to what they say.

I think the "smarter" one is, the more gullible they are. As someone with a PhD, I try very hard not to be gullible ... I can't say I always succeed. But I am highly skeptical of everything I hear/read. That skepticism helps.

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post #97

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

> The media landscape is beyond broken in this country. It has been for a while. Most of the major "news" media organizations are anything but news. That people actually believe what they hear, and then act upon this ... often ... misinformation ... is horrifying. That they have ardent supporters who insist that X really is news while Y is not ... well ... no. If you want news in the US about the US, listen to BBC Am…

It's probably true that media companies tend to report more objectively on the affairs of other countries, because the country they're based in will exert more political influence over them.

The BBC is incredibly biased in terms of British affairs, or so I've heard, but it stands to reason that they'd be more willing to be objective about what's going on in America.

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UK did exactly the same thing. Everyone was panicking that the epidemic would grow exponentially and the hospitals would get over-run. Hence freeing up beds, and building a bunch of eventually pointless overflow hospitals. A lot of modelling was claiming that's exactly what would happen, e.g. Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers. In hindsight,…

> Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers. Because we took action to avoid that. I truly don't understand why people keep repeating such dezinformatsiya.

The Imperial College report included projections if all recommended NPIs were implemented. That includes lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and so on.

Those projections were still wildly off the mark. There is no way to look at their projections and take them seriously as modelers. They were simply wrong. They made bad parameter assumptions, didn't question their results or cross-validate, and ran with the scariest projections of their models.

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At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

When people scoff at the source, like when people sniff "but that's on faux news", the report is unlikely to be accepted at face value. This is a major problem, in that real information surfaces on both "political sides" (they aren't really both sides, but that's a discussion for another day) and people discount items that conflict with the particular narrative they believe in.

You can see that here. In the downvotes.

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post #41

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Deaths per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... Cases per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi... Attribution to lockdown or not is insufficient to determine these numbers. Mask adherence, population size, and climate are also important. Top 10 deaths per capita are dominated by New England and Southern states

You should also take into account the age structure of the states. The median of Florida is 5 years higher than California’s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...

and yet the differ very little in their outcomes (156 v 162 in D/C) as compared to NY at 267

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Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo administration trying to deflect blame. I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I googled and found this US News & World Report story about it from July 14, 2020: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/...

Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the best time to take a flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing media after things like that which are just a tip of the iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to themselves.

Thinking back to who recommended people ignore the presidents concerns[2] at the time and go mingle in public[1].

I know it doesn't jive with the narrative. Neither of these two could be even remotely construed to be "right wing".

[1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-sa...

[2] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/8016865...

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post #97

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

> The media landscape is beyond broken in this country. It has been for a while. Most of the major "news" media organizations are anything but news. That people actually believe what they hear, and then act upon this ... often ... misinformation ... is horrifying. That they have ardent supporters who insist that X really is news while Y is not ... well ... no. If you want news in the US about the US, listen to BBC Am…

We used to pay trained, trusted experts to conduct interviews and discover primary sources; their organization would have independent fact checkers to improve veracity; and the product of their findings was delivered daily to your home.

Corporate media hates that system.

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