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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

Like Newsom who gave the biggest non-apology I've seen about getting caught violating his own COVID-19 stay-at-home orders, and then said the recall against him was being orchestrated by white supremacist antisemites (nazis) which is over 1.5 million people in his own state... I'm sure Cuomo will find something similar to say.

i'm ready to impeach newsom, but polling seems to suggests it's unlikely. i'd happily sign a petition to impeach LA mayor garcetti as well, if any were organized to do so. the pandemic response here was beyond stupidly awful--a combination of what-if based fearmongering and a frenzy of unadulterated free (i.e., debt-fueled) federal money-grubbing.

the whole colored tier system was a farcical distraction from real mitigations like quarantining nursing homes and their staff who'd volunteer for 24-hour hero pay and 2-week on-off cycles (long enough to recuperate and re-quarantine), and asking people to distance indoors around familiars, which is where most transmission happens, rather than around strangers or out on the street where your silly mask-wearing does less than nothing. 90% of angelenos, by my anecdotal count, still wear masks outdoors, as if it were a talisman against impending death.

despite unceasing media howling, our infection rates held relatively steady for a year, until recently, when vaccinations finally started to have a real effect on those rates. none of that (double-)mask-wearing, excessive hand-sanitizing, overly restrictive retail-closing, and incessant surface-disinfecting propounded by the state/county/city did anything to mitigate spread, only modest distancing indoors and restricted interfamilial contact had much mitigative effect (and the latter could have been handled much less invasively and damagingly).

i'm decidedly unamused by the stupidity of it all and ready for new leadership of any stripe other than democrat or republican.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Have you noticed the Dem-media-academia bloc seem to lionise some of the shiftiest people when they should really know better

- Avenatti

- Cuomo

- Lincoln Project

Not too confident about Fauci and Schiff.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is ind…

UK did exactly the same thing. Everyone was panicking that the epidemic would grow exponentially and the hospitals would get over-run. Hence freeing up beds, and building a bunch of eventually pointless overflow hospitals. A lot of modelling was claiming that's exactly what would happen, e.g. Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers. In hindsight,…

> Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers.

Because we took action to avoid that.

I truly don't understand why people keep repeating such dezinformatsiya.

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Notably, at the very beginning of the pandemic before lockdowns, COVID ravaged nursing and long-term care homes in the PNW and then in the northeast.

Yup. My grandfather, along with many of the other patients, died in one of these places from COVID in Massachusetts last May. He was in a physical rehab following heart surgery to fix damage from a botched pacemaker installation. The family spent most of January -> March getting the equipment and reworking his house so he could be cared for at home, but he caught COVID before it was ready. He was in critical conditio…

I'm so sorry for you and your family.

I don't think I've ever read an HN post that made me cry like that.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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New York ends up being a problematic comparison point, because they were at zero restrictions until mid March 2020, so most of the infections through near the end of March were effectively a "no restrictions" test case. I.e. people testing positive late March were the highly symptomatic cases (because of limited test availability), so these were generally people infected 10+ days before, which means they were before…

How is this problematic? I thought California was the first to lockdown and the stay at home order was issued on the 19th.

I'm not sure what California has to do with the point I was making?

Anyway, it's problematic because around half of the total recorded deaths for New York state, for the entire pandemic up to now, likely resulted from infections that happened during the no/minimal restrictions period in March of 2020. Presumably the original poster wanted a "strong restrictions" vs "light restrictions" comparison w.r.t. to deaths. And that's fine; it's just that New York is going to give you a poor starting point for that comparison unless you dive deeper.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

>the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested.

Because it would have diminished the relentless message emanating from almost everywhere that Trump, and Trump alone, was singlehandedly responsible for every single COVID19 death in the US.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

> The media landscape is beyond broken in this country.

It has been for a while. Most of the major "news" media organizations are anything but news. That people actually believe what they hear, and then act upon this ... often ... misinformation ... is horrifying. That they have ardent supporters who insist that X really is news while Y is not ... well ... no.

If you want news in the US about the US, listen to BBC America. It is the least biased, narrative embracing, propaganda pushing, site around. There may be others that are workable as news sites. But none from the US.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio..., it only became a notable scandal mid-February.

As far as information consumption goes, though, I think if anything I've consumed too much. I don't live in NY and the stuff happening there has no relevance to me.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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>What credible source was talking about this before January? It is probably easier to ask which major news sources were not talking about this prior to January. You can easily find articles posted prior to January from The Association Press, Fox News, CNN, Daily Wire, NY Post, Daily Mail, Daily Caller, Washington Times, The Federalist, USA Today, etc. Many of those sites had articles back in May.

You are confusing two related but different stories. Back then the talk was about the fact that he sent patients back into nursing homes. It was only later that we discovered that he actively fudged the numbers by not counting nursing home patients that died in hospitals.

I am not confusing them. There were absolutely articles last year about this (though maybe not as far back as May for this specifically).

Here is an article from the Washington Post back in August 2020

> New York’s coronavirus death toll in nursing homes, already among the highest in the nation, could actually be a significant undercount. Unlike every other state with major outbreaks, New York only counts residents who died on nursing home property and not those who were transported to hospitals and died there.

> That statistic could add thousands to the state’s official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic situation less dire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/new-yorks-true-nursing...

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....

I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him.

He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the "media" protects him.

Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk a long time ago.

The "media" is complicit.

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