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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by mrandish »

pyronik19 wrote: post #50
mrandish wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They should have all known. Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised. The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with b…

Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.

Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita results are better than NY, CA and many other states.

Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted they could have done better in some of the early execution phase around protecting elder facilities. 7

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by temp8964 »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Also, sexual harassment accusations...

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Post by throwaway292893 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #44
throwaway292893 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.

> Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals. The PPE that was acutely in short supply and unavailable at the beginning of the pandemic? Even doctors and nurses didn't have adequate PPE back then, and many of them got sick and died because of it.

> and many of them got sick and died because of it.

Source of people dying due to lack of PPE?

As I understand it, there was always a low supply, not no supply.

Other states managed to supply their nursing homes just fine.

Seems like rationalization. Cuomo never came out and said this was caused by lack of PPE.

Unless you have a source that they weren't able to equip their nursing homes due to supply issues you are assuming.

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Post by atat7024 »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #3
mynameishere wrote: post #2

Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

Nobody will ever be prosecuted for this, and that's less people taking what politicians see as limited funds.

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Post by brown9-2 »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #15
Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

It’s not “Cuomo’s AG”, in NY the attorney general is elected by voters.

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Post by fcbrooklyn »

jmisavage wrote: post #14
throwaway292893 wrote: post #10

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There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?

The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.

That was true initially, but they changed tack about a week later. The ship reduced capacity from 1000 beds to 500 specifically so that they could accomodate covid patients, because there weren't enough other patients to matter. In addition, the Javits center field hospital never reached more than about 5% of its available capacity. Meanwhile the nursing home down the street from me was begging the city to let them send their covid positive residents to to the ship, or to the javits, were told that those were only for hospital overflow, and they should keep the residents in place. more than 60 of them died, the highest death toll of any nursing home in the state.

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Post by kasey_junk »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

NPR covered the AG finding quite a bit

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...

As did The NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/nyregion/nursing-home-dea...

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Post by jjoonathan »

octopoc wrote: post #46
jjoonathan wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.

FTA: > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents. Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article. > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has a…

> Sounds like this one got suppressed

With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and Cuomo needs to be dealt with.

With regard to prioritizing this story against it's competitor, however, I think my information diet got the mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact.

> This is whataboutism.

If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you brought up information diets and suppression, which absolutely brings into scope the nonstop 24/7 Republican efforts to use the Cuomo story as whataboutism.

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