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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by ggamecrazy »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #6
kbelder wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is ind…

Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.

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Post by mattmanser »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #6
kbelder wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is ind…

UK did exactly the same thing.

Everyone was panicking that the epidemic would grow exponentially and the hospitals would get over-run. Hence freeing up beds, and building a bunch of eventually pointless overflow hospitals.

A lot of modelling was claiming that's exactly what would happen, e.g. Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers.

In hindsight, that's not how the virus works, it seems to infect clusters and then drops and eventually levels out, jumps to a new clusters does the same thing, and on.

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Post by japostoles »

kbelder wrote: post #5
throwaway292893 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

It was always a bad decision, and we questioned it in realtime.

Also, after the death toll rolled in they deleted the executive order from the New York State website despite it still being in effect.

There was a cover up from the moment the order was issued, I'm not sure how this action was taken in good faith.

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Post by jmisavage »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #10
ggamecrazy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them... Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These are not people in independent living facilities, they likely need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to do at th…

There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?

The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.

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Post by throwaway292893 »

Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by ggamecrazy »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #10
ggamecrazy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against the will of the people running them... Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These are not people in independent living facilities, they likely need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to do at th…

There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?

Hospitals did in fact need the beds (nursing home beds >>> hospital beds). Additionally they are ill-equipped for the skilled help these people needed. People suffer from dementia/alzheimers and hospitals only option is to handcuff people to their beds (which is inhumane long-term).

I don't want to play politics and I do think more could have been done here). Like: quickly granting nursing homes aid in terms of PPE + cash + national guard help. I'm just trying to change your mind that the situation was much more nuanced that the NYTimes is advocating for.

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Post by throwaway292893 »

jmisavage wrote: post #14
throwaway292893 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000 people?

The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being over capacity. The military specifically was testing everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid because it can spread way faster in the confines of a ship.

The point is those ships were under capacity the whole time.

Send more non-covid patients to them, keep elderly patients in the hospitals. New York never reached full capacity overall.

If you MUST send covid patients to nursing homes, make sure they are prepared with PPE.

Other states did so, Cuomo and the 5 other governors should have known to do so. We already had outbreaks in a nursing home that everyone was aware of.

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Post by Fellshard »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #15
Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.

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Post by 1cvmask »

mynameishere wrote: post #2

Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon’s razor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

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Post by throwaway292893 »

Fellshard wrote: post #18
throwaway292893 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.

The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
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