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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by lixtra »

verdverm wrote: post #36
LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Deaths per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... Cases per capita: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi... Attribution to lockdown or not is insufficient to determine these numbers. Mask adherence, population size, and climate are also important. Top 10 deaths per capita are dominated by New England and Southern states

You should also take into account the age structure of the states. The median of Florida is 5 years higher than California’s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...

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Post by heavyset_go »

LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Notably, at the very beginning of the pandemic before lockdowns, COVID ravaged nursing and long-term care homes in the PNW and then in the northeast.

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Post by heavyset_go »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #24
ggamecrazy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.

45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.

> Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.

The PPE that was acutely in short supply and unavailable at the beginning of the pandemic? Even doctors and nurses didn't have adequate PPE back then, and many of them got sick and died because of it.

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Post by SllX »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Before the summer actually, not August.

A large swath of the media was busy at the time trying to put Cuomo on a pedestal as a kind of counter-Trump.

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Post by octopoc »

jjoonathan wrote: post #33
Fellshard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.

Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.

FTA:

> The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents.

Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article.

> someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.

This is whataboutism. The article is about Cuomo's bad response to COVID regarding nursing homes.

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Post by mhh__ »

mynameishere wrote: post #2

Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

Who is "they"?

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Post by mrandish »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #3
mynameishere wrote: post #2

Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

> They should have all known.

Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised.

The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with broad lockdowns of everyone instead of the "focused protection" plan may go down as the worst public health error of modern times. Since they were hit hard and first, Hubei Province and Northern Italy at least have the excuse of no priors. By the time NY got hit any serious analyst knew and many were recommending circling the wagons around the vulnerable.

I have no idea if fault lies with Cuomo personally or someone he delegated this to, but someone in NY seriously fucked up. Hell, in Bergamo prosecutors filed charges against some city/regional administrators for negligent manslaughter (or similar).

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Post by pyronik19 »

mrandish wrote: post #49
throwaway292893 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

> They should have all known. Before Washington state we had the clear data from the elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results. Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and immuno-compromised. The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice to go with b…

Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.
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