Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll • Hacker News Board

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#71

Post by chrismcb » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

rallison wrote: post #55

LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

New York ends up being a problematic comparison point, because they were at zero restrictions until mid March 2020, so most of the infections through near the end of March were effectively a "no restrictions" test case. I.e. people testing positive late March were the highly symptomatic cases (because of limited test availability), so these were generally people infected 10+ days before, which means they were before…

How is this problematic? I thought California was the first to lockdown and the stay at home order was issued on the 19th.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#72

Post by cheaprentalyeti » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:41 PM UTC

Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

Yes, I heard about it in the first quarter of last year. I heard about it on news sites on the web. I found it credible.

This whole reportage stinks of "We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia" to me at the moment.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#73

Post by MattGaiser » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

atat7024 wrote: post #63

rangoon626 wrote: post #42

Cuomo needs to be tried for what he did.

Anything specifically?

Search #nuremburg2021 on Twitter. There is fairly robust group of people who consider reactions to covid 19 crimes against humanity and they are seeking trials against everyone involved.

I personally know one of these people.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#74

Post by throwaway292893 » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

brown9-2 wrote: post #66

throwaway292893 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

It’s not “Cuomo’s AG”, in NY the attorney general is elected by voters.

Correct, updated. Main point still stands.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#75

Post by MattGaiser » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

I saw it on Politifact in May/June I believe as he initially blamed the Trump administration and that was found to be false.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#76

Post by hajile » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:47 PM UTC

ggamecrazy wrote: post #22

1cvmask wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

In retrospect I would have done the same: Force the nursing homes to accept their residents back if the residents have no other options. However, I would have throw in much more aid to the ones that were forced. Cash + PPE + National Guard. If I couldn't provide help, then I wouldn't force. That would mean that it would be up to the hospitals to figure it out and find a home for them or until they were covid-free. Ob…

If you have to send residents back, you must create COVID and non-COVID facilities to ensure isolation. You also shouldn't send infected persons there just because you can.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#77

Post by chitowneats » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:51 PM UTC

mmcgaha wrote: post #53

Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet. Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage. What credible source was talking about this before January?

Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo administration trying to deflect blame.

I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I googled and found this US News & World Report story about it from July 14, 2020:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/...

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#78

Post by rossdavidh » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Well, NY's numbers don't look good compared to any state except New Jersey's. I think it's probably fair to say that they had a harder job than, say, Vermont or Maine, though, given their population density. Latitude and urban density seem to be better predictors of covid-19 mortality than anything related to human actions (except vaccination rates).

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#79

Post by merpnderp » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

Don't forget Cuomo making the rounds in April telling people to ignore Trump's scare mongering, that it was perfectly safe to take the subways and catch a show on broadway.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#80

Post by qqqwerty » Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

Same question can be asked about the undercounts in Florida?

[1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-dea...