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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by redis_mlc » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 4:27 AM UTC

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

For HN leftists (I know, I know - that's all of you), you can extrapolate from the Cuomo media suppression to the suppression of the Hunter Biden story, the election fraud, the two fake impeachments, and Joe Biden's senility.

I've looked at cnn.com a few times, and at least their homepage appears to be dictated solely by the left. The hagiography on Kamala Harris a couple days ago looked literally like something the CCP would publish: "Kamala is the last person in the room", etc. I thought VPs were supposed to just golf? Why is Kamala shadowing Biden if he's not senile? (She's in just about every public picture of Biden, standing just behind him.)

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/25/politics/kamala-harris-cnntv/...

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, Twitter has said they regret suppressing the Hunter Biden story before the election, and WaPo issued a retraction on their quote of Trump asking an election official to redo results (that quote was one of the Pelosi's "reasons" for the second impeachment.)

https://nypost.com/2021/03/25/dorsey-says-blocking-posts-hun...

https://nypost.com/2021/03/15/washington-post-runs-correctio...

The more you compare the MSM with actual events, the less they match.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by 8bitsrule » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 5:35 AM UTC

33% of all US Covid deaths have happened in nursing homes. Those 180,000+ deaths happened across the country. Some of the earliest US deaths happened in a Seattle nursing home. Some other early death clusters happened in VA hospitals. This is a public and private national disgrace, not just a Cuomo one.

Cuomo didn't create our 'standards' for warehousing the elderly. We did that as a society.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by qqqwerty » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 5:35 AM UTC

zwily wrote: post #137

qqqwerty wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same question can be asked about the undercounts in Florida? [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-dea...

Not so sure about that... https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1387096352845225984...

That is a surprisingly bad take from Nate Silver, who I am usually a fan of. The fact that Florida has less excess death than the national average does not preclude systematic undercounting. One can both have lower actual deaths than average and also undercount those deaths.

And the article that I linked to quoted a study that used excess death numbers and compared those to the official counts. That is by far the best method to estimate an undercount.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by willio58 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 5:42 AM UTC

8bitsrule wrote: post #152

33% of all US Covid deaths have happened in nursing homes. Those 180,000+ deaths happened across the country. Some of the earliest US deaths happened in a Seattle nursing home. Some other early death clusters happened in VA hospitals. This is a public and private national disgrace , not just a Cuomo one. Cuomo didn't create our 'standards' for warehousing the elderly. We did that as a society.

This is precisely why he should have just been honest about the numbers.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by WalterGR » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 9:38 AM UTC

timr wrote: post #135

WalterGR wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's correct. https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/in-defense-of-mathema... "For those readers who are unfamiliar with it, the Imperial College model is the one that projected that 2.2 million Americans (and 510,000 residents of the UK) could die from COVID-19 over the next two years without public health interventions." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6 "When updated data in the Im…

You should read the reports, and not news articles about the reports. These news articles are referring to the very first report, which made projections for the UK through October 2020. Here's the March 26, 2020 report, covering the rest of the world, with far more specific predictions: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/m... In this report, they predict 2.2 million deaths in the US in the unm…

Here's the March 26, 2020 report

Okay. And the revised reports?

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by RhysU » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 10:40 AM UTC

hpcjoe wrote: post #129

jmcqk6 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. Look harder then. They're not difficult to find. When you treat "media" as a monolithic, moving with unified purpose, you're going to make mistakes just like this one. "media" is diverse enough that you kind people you can disagree with when you look. So it's no doubt true that there is media out there that is defending Cuomo. But that doesn't…

> But that doesn't mean there is some vast conspiracy, or even wide spread collusion, as you seem to be implying. Not even close to what I was saying. And yes, the "media" as in the NBC variants, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc. seem to all mimic/amplify each others reporting. Doesn't need to be a conspiracy, and I don't think it is. It is, however, a uniform political and cultural narrative, that actively defends itself fro…

> And yes, the "media" as in the NBC variants, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc. seem to all mimic/amplify each others reporting.

TIL by watching multiple DVR-ed news shows from the same night while visiting family...

It is eerie the extent to which the nightly national news stories are the nearly same across the various old networks. With a whole country of stories to pick from the network news is, anecdotally, 80%+ the same many nights. Not only the topics but also the story structure, the chosen sequence of video clips, etc.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by throwaway894345 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 11:45 AM UTC

RhysU wrote: post #156

hpcjoe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But that doesn't mean there is some vast conspiracy, or even wide spread collusion, as you seem to be implying. Not even close to what I was saying. And yes, the "media" as in the NBC variants, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc. seem to all mimic/amplify each others reporting. Doesn't need to be a conspiracy, and I don't think it is. It is, however, a uniform political and cultural narrative, that actively defends itself fro…

> And yes, the "media" as in the NBC variants, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc. seem to all mimic/amplify each others reporting. TIL by watching multiple DVR-ed news shows from the same night while visiting family... It is eerie the extent to which the nightly national news stories are the nearly same across the various old networks. With a whole country of stories to pick from the network news is, anecdotally, 80%+ the same…

It was particularly interesting to observe with respect to the Covington Catholic affair in which the whole of the media apparatus took the exact same still-frame out of context in exactly the same way all the while the actual 2 hour video was widely circulated and freely available on the Internet. For so many media outlets to make the exact same egregious error in such a short timeframe is remarkable. See also the Google Memo fiasco.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by timr » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 12:10 PM UTC

WalterGR wrote: post #155

timr wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should read the reports, and not news articles about the reports. These news articles are referring to the very first report, which made projections for the UK through October 2020. Here's the March 26, 2020 report, covering the rest of the world, with far more specific predictions: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/m... In this report, they predict 2.2 million deaths in the US in the unm…

Here's the March 26, 2020 report Okay. And the revised reports?

I don't care what they did after they knew the answer. In the one prospective test that mattered, they utterly, hilariously failed. And in the process they caused huge collateral damage to society.

This is why, in most fields of modeling with any intellectual rigor, we have blinded prospective tests.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by todd8 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 12:42 PM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #87

commandlinefan wrote: post #54

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I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.

Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.

The 2020 Census, not today’s post Covid population count is used for congressional apportionment. The current population of NY has nothing to do with it.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by StriverGuy » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 12:54 PM UTC

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #121

LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Important question. If NY were a country, it would only rank behind Hungary, Gibraltar, and Czechia for the highest death rate. And it has been that way or worse since April 2020, even as other states and countries had their worst problems later on. NY and the even-worse-faring NJ are denser and therefore likelier to have higher total infection numbers and deaths than the Plains states. So I wouldn't even accuse them…

For some reason no one wants to talk about urban density. Comparing populations is not apples to apples.

New York was also the first hit in the world and most medical treatment/handling wasnt really understood when NY got hit with the brunt of the virus in March 2020.