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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.

The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.

Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

In retrospect I would have done the same: Force the nursing homes to accept their residents back if the residents have no other options.

However, I would have throw in much more aid to the ones that were forced. Cash + PPE + National Guard. If I couldn't provide help, then I wouldn't force. That would mean that it would be up to the hospitals to figure it out and find a home for them or until they were covid-free.

Obviously I'm playing backseat Covid response governor here. Hindsight is 20/20.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

Threatening to take medical licenses away for administering vaccines to people who weren’t eligible even if the vaccine was going to be thrown away.... and then doing a 180 and threatening to take away medical licenses if vaccines were not administered.

Writing a book about his supposed epic handling of the virus.

Still in office.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a nursing home in Washington. That was when we were still counting the first hundred and contact tracing. The people running the homes dissented against it. He still did it. It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly people by sending a highly contagious disease into their facility. The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action is ind…

Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.

45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario.

Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

I’m under the impression that people were supposed to be allowed to return to their nursing homes, from where they left.

After they left the hospital they needed somewhere to go. Otherwise, they would be homeless.

If nursing homes couldn’t safely take recovering patients back then people were in danger before these people left for the hospital.

I also imagine there were COVID patients in the homes who didn’t need to go to a hospital

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#27
post #19

Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Maybe the initial decision, but not the deliberate coverup that occurred immediately after it and since then.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where could those people going back to nursing home go? I'm assuming that if another facility or their family could have taken them they would have opted for that. Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled nursing help.

45 other states found ways to safely handle this scenario. Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.

And if there aren't enough bodies to meet that requirement, then what?

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

I am a New Yorker that had a relative die of COVID in a nursing home last year. I could understand the decision at first because they were literally constructing hospitals on athletic fields at my local university to deal with the packed hospitals. But own up to it and don't cover it up.

Regardless of your political persuasion what Cuomo did is wrong by covering it up. We can't have 2 standards for politicians based on if it is someone on your team.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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post #23
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning politicians about their actions back in the early days of the pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear of making a decision that turns out to be wrong. Now, the…

Threatening to take medical licenses away for administering vaccines to people who weren’t eligible even if the vaccine was going to be thrown away.... and then doing a 180 and threatening to take away medical licenses if vaccines were not administered. Writing a book about his supposed epic handling of the virus. Still in office.

And he won an Emmy for it!
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