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Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by MarkLowenstein »

LatteLazy wrote: post #25

How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Important question. If NY were a country, it would only rank behind Hungary, Gibraltar, and Czechia for the highest death rate. And it has been that way or worse since April 2020, even as other states and countries had their worst problems later on.

NY and the even-worse-faring NJ are denser and therefore likelier to have higher total infection numbers and deaths than the Plains states. So I wouldn't even accuse them of mismanagement except that this nursing home strategy seems to have been a bad one. However I think the story here is how the media chose their favorite son in this (Cuomo) despite him actually being one of the worst performers. And the TV-news-watching public dutifully ate it up despite clearly contrary data being available on the web from Day 1.

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Post by hintymad »

gnicholas wrote: post #114
comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

> the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020 Actually, it was covered in May of 2020 in the Daily Wire. https://www.dailywire.com/news/ny-health-dept-admits-to-unde...

One reason I see is that people, especially those from mainstream media, will just shrug Daily Wire off as "right-wing". "Right-wing" is such a wonderful stigmata. Quote the words, and gone is pursuit of truth.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by gnicholas »

comodore_ wrote: post #118
gnicholas wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020 Actually, it was covered in May of 2020 in the Daily Wire. https://www.dailywire.com/news/ny-health-dept-admits-to-unde...

insane, I wonder how many have heard of this for the first time today or are still unaware because the mainstream media never picked it up or is memory-holing this

It is for precisely this reason that I built Read Across The Aisle, [1] a free app that incentivizes you to read news from both sides of the political spectrum.

The coverage bias on both sides is enormous, and there's enough news to cover that it's easy to overlook inconvenient truths (or relegate them to page B-47).

1: http://www.readacrosstheaisle.com

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by hintymad »

hpcjoe wrote: post #97
comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

> The media landscape is beyond broken in this country. It has been for a while. Most of the major "news" media organizations are anything but news. That people actually believe what they hear, and then act upon this ... often ... misinformation ... is horrifying. That they have ardent supporters who insist that X really is news while Y is not ... well ... no. If you want news in the US about the US, listen to BBC Am…

What's horrifying is that staff in these media advocate for more censorship in the name of battling misinformation. I thought journalist should viciously defend the right of speech, but oh well.

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Post by [deleted] »

nimish wrote: post #56
comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

This was known in March-April, when he rammed through a bill to give himself emergency powers and one that indemnified nursing home operators -- his donor base.

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Post by StandardFuture »

hpcjoe wrote: post #104
lotsofpulp wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not very adept at critical thinking.

Yeah ... I hear otherwise intelligent friends (folks with PhDs, MDs, etc.) effectively parroting crap you would hear on their favorite news channel. You can tell what they watch by listening to what they say. I think the "smarter" one is, the more gullible they are. As someone with a PhD, I try very hard not to be gullible ... I can't say I always succeed. But I am highly skeptical of everything I hear/read. That ske…

Being educated != being smart. Intelligence is a biological phenotype of neurological potential. It's distribution is set in stone across humanity. Being lucky and born into a family that can afford your higher education that will grant you a title has nothing to do with biological intelligence. In other words, a lot of very stupid people with PhDs and MDs can parrot mass media like the "low IQ" individuals that they are.

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Post by WalterGR »

timr wrote: post #106
WalterGR wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those numbers. Because we took action to avoid that. I truly don't understand why people keep repeating such dezinformatsiya.

The Imperial College report included projections if all recommended NPIs were implemented . That includes lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and so on. Those projections were still wildly off the mark. There is no way to look at their projections and take them seriously as modelers. They were simply wrong. They made bad parameter assumptions, didn't question their results or cross-validate, and ran with the scaries…

I don't think that's correct.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/in-defense-of-mathema...

"For those readers who are unfamiliar with it, the Imperial College model is the one that projected that 2.2 million Americans (and 510,000 residents of the UK) could die from COVID-19 over the next two years without public health interventions."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6

"When updated data in the Imperial team’s model indicated that the United Kingdom’s health service would soon be overwhelmed with severe cases of COVID-19, and might face more than 500,000 deaths if the government took no action... The same model suggested that, with no action, the United States might face 2.2 million deaths..."

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Post by Spooky23 »

skybrian wrote: post #103
Tycho wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you noticed the Dem-media-academia bloc seem to lionise some of the shiftiest people when they should really know better - Avenatti - Cuomo - Lincoln Project Not too confident about Fauci and Schiff.

I remember reading quite a bit about Cuomo's mistakes last summer in liberal media, but apparently it didn't change the dominant narrative. Here's one article: Democrats gave a hero’s welcome to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo despite his mistake-filled early response to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/cuomo-n...

Cuomo for all his faults took ownership of the crisis situation.

That’s what leaders are supposed to do, and that is what the public craves. Unfortunately, POTUS just wasn’t capable of filling that function for a variety of reasons.

I think most of those mistakes were understood as the state government was caught unaware and so little was known. We’ve seen similar tragedy in different states and countries — managing a pandemic is difficult.

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Post by hpcjoe »

jmcqk6 wrote: post #116
hpcjoe wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the "media" protects him. Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk a long time ago. The "media" is complicit.

>I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. Look harder then. They're not difficult to find. When you treat "media" as a monolithic, moving with unified purpose, you're going to make mistakes just like this one. "media" is diverse enough that you kind people you can disagree with when you look. So it's no doubt true that there is media out there that is defending Cuomo. But that doesn't…

> But that doesn't mean there is some vast conspiracy, or even wide spread collusion, as you seem to be implying.

Not even close to what I was saying.

And yes, the "media" as in the NBC variants, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR, etc. seem to all mimic/amplify each others reporting. Doesn't need to be a conspiracy, and I don't think it is.

It is, however, a uniform political and cultural narrative, that actively defends itself from information that runs counter to it. Whether or not there is coordination is irrelevant. That this collection of "media" somehow manages to bury important (real) information, in favor of what they would like to say, is highly problematic for what one might call, actual news.

So no ... to your point, I do not believe the strawman you constructed and then swatted comes anywhere close to what I was specifically talking about. However, denial of the mutual reinforcement and exclusion of information that runs counter to their collective narrative ... that's a deep and fundamental failure of critical thinking.

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Post by [deleted] »

StandardFuture wrote: post #126
hpcjoe wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah ... I hear otherwise intelligent friends (folks with PhDs, MDs, etc.) effectively parroting crap you would hear on their favorite news channel. You can tell what they watch by listening to what they say. I think the "smarter" one is, the more gullible they are. As someone with a PhD, I try very hard not to be gullible ... I can't say I always succeed. But I am highly skeptical of everything I hear/read. That ske…

Being educated != being smart. Intelligence is a biological phenotype of neurological potential. It's distribution is set in stone across humanity. Being lucky and born into a family that can afford your higher education that will grant you a title has nothing to do with biological intelligence. In other words, a lot of very stupid people with PhDs and MDs can parrot mass media like the "low IQ" individuals that they…

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