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Post by jki275 »

cwkoss wrote: post #679
yonaguska wrote: post #668

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NRA actually helped Robert F. Williams, from my parent comment, establish a gun club and donated rifles and ammunition. So while they helped with establishing the Mulford Act, they also supported the early civil rights movement. Not to defend them, but organizations aren't necessarily single minded in their actions.

Thanks, I didn't know that. Will have to do some further reading tonight :-D

Charlton Hesston marched with MLK Jr. when it wasn't popular to do so. He was president of the NRA for a number of years recently.

There are people who have been trying to sell a bill of goods about the NRA and gun owners in general for a long time. It simply isn't accurate.

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Post by diminoten »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #858
diminoten wrote: post #851

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It's called a right of the people because back when it was written, the militias were made up of "the people", but not in an individual, "each person gets a say" kind of way. This isn't the scholarly debate people make it out to be; there is a clear meaning, and it's been muddled over the past 30 years by special interests who have corrupted the original intent of the law. The problems the second amendment was writte…

What were the problems the 2nd Amendment was written to solve, and what happened to them? There isn’t anything scholarly or muddled about reading the “the right of the people” to reference a right held by people and not by states or the federal government.

Why are you asking me to give you a history lesson? Go look it up! Much more authoritative sources than I available to you if you actually want to know what was going on at the time.

Once you've done that you will realize that it was VERY specifically written to deal with a problem going on at the time. Hell, there are even comments in this very submission that also describe.

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Post by mav3rick »

cwkoss wrote: post #861
mav3rick wrote: post #859

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How about no one has guns ?

How about we fund mental healthcare nationally, reduce wealth inequality, and end racial disparity in policing first? Until then, an attempt to ban all guns is not only a politically infeasible waste of energy, but also seems like a racist attack on the self-defense rights of the disempowered.

"What about...". There are mass shootings in schools every year. How about we solve the problems you mentioned and the others in parallel. US spends enough on military budget , they can cut back and solve these. The disempowered don't need "white knights", they are the ones often dying to gun violence.

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Post by UIZealot »

pimmen wrote: post #715
UIZealot wrote: post #660

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Any broadening of rights after the signing of the Sino-British Joint Declaration is suspect. These are ploys to alienate the Hong Kong people from China (離間計). They are what we call 陽謀, ploys we will nevertheless fall for even though we know they're ploys. Know your history. How had the British treated the Hong Kong people throughout its history as a colony? How has China treated the Hong Kong people? Honestly? (EDIT…

> Any broadening of rights after the signing of the Sino-British Joint Declaration is suspect. These are ploys to alienate the Hong Kong people from China (離間計). If you by that mean that giving a place more civil rights and protections against human rights abuses makes it more unlike China, yes, I agree. And as spacehunt said, British established the independent judiciary which the CCP is trying the dismantle now wit…

> the independent judiciary which the CCP is trying the dismantle now with the extradition bill

That narrative is never supported by the facts, and the extradition treaty has been withdrawn. You keep saying it does not make it true.

> the British also made large scale election reforms

After the signing of the Sino-British Joint Declaration. It's like agreeing to sell your company, then doubling the salary of every employee before handing over the company to the new owner. It's reckless, irresponsible, but sadly, very effective. Like I said, a ploy you'd willing fall for, even though you know it's a ploy.

> We've waited quite a while now in Sweden for the release of our countryman, the CCP can lend some faith to their insistince that they support "one country, two systems" by releasing him.

While I agree the CCP crossed the line in the case of Mr. Gui, and I sincerely hope for his release as much as you do, it by no means indicate the unraveling of one country, two systems. Just like the exile of Edward Snowden by no means indicate the unraveling of freedom of speech in the US.

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Post by sushid »

mav3rick wrote: post #694
program_whiz wrote: post #13

Sure, the kid was swinging at the officer, and I suppose that warrants the officer acting in self-defense. But another question is, what are the protesters supposed to do? The government has all the power, and can simply snuff out any resistence. If you just stand in the streets, they really don't care, they are going to take your freedom. Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator that just decided they were going to…

Do you know about Gandhi's nonviolence and civil disobedience movement ? Not saying this is what's required right now. But ultimately it was that that turned the British public opinion and the Crown was forced to withdraw from the colonies.

I understand what you’re saying but the irony here is not lost on me.

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Post by easytiger »

dang wrote: post #856
easytiger wrote: post #4

Obviously China is evil etc etc. But isn't it pretty obvious these people are physically attacking armed officers as they are retreating? And they are beating up and kicking another downed officer in the head? Whilst I might have sympathy for their cause the kid struck an armed officer with a weapon whilst he wielded a gun as his friends beat another armed officer. I have very little sympathy for anyone who makes suc…

> Obviously China is evil Good grief. Would you please review the site guidelines and take care to edit such flamebait out of your posts to HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Apologies, but I was clearly making humorous reference to the hyperbolic knee jerk condemnation of China in the thread irrelevant to the situation. Not actually making an ideological statement.

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Post by UIZealot »

dang wrote: post #853
UIZealot wrote: post #358

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The bias you're talking about is real, in my observation, but you can't counteract it by ranting and breaking the site guidelines, let alone baiting others into downvoting you. It's a direct consequence of HN's demographics, which are overwhelmingly Western, and there's no way to change it other than slowly and patiently, by adding good information. Of course it's frustrating to encounter inflammatory comments that a…

I was baiting for good information, not downvotes.

My apologies if it came out wrong.

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Post by undersuit »

chrisco255 wrote: post #637
undersuit wrote: post #605

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It peeves me to no end to you just brought out the whole climate change skeptics handbook so surreptitiously, why didn't you make your opinions known in your earlier comments?

Which fact have I mentioned that you think is incorrect?

The sea level has been rising since the last glacial period, but it slowed down considerably 6000 years ago. Of course we're in an ice age, we haven't melted our poles yet and they usually last millions of years. You comment about the interglacial doesn't mean anything except giving us more runway to burn oil until we can't back out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation#Next_gla...

> The state of various species is always in flux.

You asked for instances of climate change causing an extinction, this is your response to me fulfilling your request?

And don't forget in your other conversation about CO2 and plants about the increased temperatures predicted under climate change: "the diverse impacts of higher temperatures on other metabolic processes are likely to feed back on carbon metabolism in ways that we do not currently appreciate."

https://nph.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/nph.15283

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

diminoten wrote: post #872
solidsnack9000 wrote: post #858

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What were the problems the 2nd Amendment was written to solve, and what happened to them? There isn’t anything scholarly or muddled about reading the “the right of the people” to reference a right held by people and not by states or the federal government.

Why are you asking me to give you a history lesson? Go look it up! Much more authoritative sources than I available to you if you actually want to know what was going on at the time. Once you've done that you will realize that it was VERY specifically written to deal with a problem going on at the time. Hell, there are even comments in this very submission that also describe.

I am asking you to clarify and support your position — to say what the problems you are referring to actually are, and how, in your view, they went away — not to give me a history lesson.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by UIZealot »

pimmen wrote: post #726
UIZealot wrote: post #243

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Influence? Certainly. Just like the UK could influence HK matters when it was a British colony, China can influence HK matters now that it's a Chinese special administrative region. Control? Not so much.

Because the control is still being implemented. To implement it, you need influence.

Again, how exactly is it being implemented?

All you came up with is the extradition bill, and that, again, has been withdrawn.

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