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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by beering »

kgeist wrote: post #79

>avoid extra detail when it does not help I wonder if they actually do it to optimize inference. I maintain a corporate AI server and one of the tricks to reduce the load was to modify the system prompt to be as terse as possible so the average response completes faster and requests queue up less often.

If you remember how crazy verbose previous gpt models were… clearly there’s something going on unrelated to cost. It would restate the same thing in different words several times and fill the output with emoji or lists.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by beering »

cbg0 wrote: post #160
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #117

Excellent. Yes, please give free users more access and leave paying codex users in the dust. Wise plan, Sam.

How are they leaving paying users in the dust? This is their cheapest model which you can already use full-blast even on a $20 plan.

It’s interesting how people will interpret news in ways that seem bizarre, but they were looking for something to be angry about.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by robomartin »

freakynit wrote: post #130
firasd wrote: post #7

I think it’s a misread to think the default ChatGPT model switching to GPT 5.6 Luna is some sort of desperation move. Keep in mind that Claude .ai never had this extreme stratification between the frontier models and the free tier (Sonnet is available to free users with rate limits). So 5.6 Luna is just their next version of what they used to call 5.5 instant tier And 5.x instant models were never much to write home…

Claude's rate limits are absolutely shit for free users. 3 chats and its gone for 24 hours.

It's one thing to be a free user...quite another to be an entitled free user.

This is precisely why I do not offer anything for free. I've been there and done it back in the iPhone 3 era with a dozen apps. Learned my lesson quickly. Never again. It was a nightmare. If the product isn't good enough for someone to pay for it (that could be direct user-paid or advertiser supported) it should not exist.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by MarkMarine »

samsolomon wrote: post #209
firasd wrote: post #7

I think it’s a misread to think the default ChatGPT model switching to GPT 5.6 Luna is some sort of desperation move. Keep in mind that Claude .ai never had this extreme stratification between the frontier models and the free tier (Sonnet is available to free users with rate limits). So 5.6 Luna is just their next version of what they used to call 5.5 instant tier And 5.x instant models were never much to write home…

Honestly, given the price 5.6 Luna is pretty fantastic. I replaced GPT 4.1 mini in several projects. It's also 50% cheaper if you only need it to run sometime in the next 24 hours.

Flex tier is just as cheap but you don't need to deal with batching or waiting. I see it completing in about ~3x-10x the latency of normal calls, so in seconds. You can always route back to regular if you're getting 429'd on flex too.

Flex is also easier to get caching to work, there is a little futzing around with OAI's implicit caching but if you do the upfront work you can get haiku quality responses with caching in close to realtime for 1/7th the cost and you don't need to design a polling loop to check for batch completions

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by pinkgolem »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #201
pinkgolem wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also change the writing style with a prompt quit easily, if the same person would publish millions of articles, we would also recognize them.

The Turing Test is about being able to figure out if “someone” is a computer during a short conversation, not “millions of articles”. LLMs still live in the uncanny valley and can be sussed out immediately. For example, I’m extremely annoyed by the fact that offshore developers respond to me almost exclusively using text generated by Claude. You can tell immediately because they use overly descriptive techno word sal…

My argument is, you recognize the style because you know it..

5 years ago, you would not have been able to determine that this was the case, and just have assumed it's a know it all character.

Tell your offshore developers to use caveman or so

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by vitorgrs »

dbbk wrote: post #162
vitorgrs wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want to know "When it's the next full moon", yes. Very bad as google can answer in 1s.

That I just type into Google.

That's also using AI :).

ChatGPT already competes with Google...

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by lxgr »

firasd wrote: post #7

I think it’s a misread to think the default ChatGPT model switching to GPT 5.6 Luna is some sort of desperation move. Keep in mind that Claude .ai never had this extreme stratification between the frontier models and the free tier (Sonnet is available to free users with rate limits). So 5.6 Luna is just their next version of what they used to call 5.5 instant tier And 5.x instant models were never much to write home…

> So 5.6 Luna is just their next version of what they used to call 5.5 instant tier

I wonder if this means that Luna is more, uhm, "free tier like" in its responses? The "Instant"/"Chat" models have a pretty particular vibe.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by braebo »

ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

Fable is AGI. All other models are dumb as bricks in comparison.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by [deleted] »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #42
ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

If we could show the current models to someone like Alan Turing, I am sure he would conclude that we have AGI.

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by tristanj »

khalic wrote: post #191
tristanj wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now there is no sign of actual AGI happening any time soon Do you genuinely hold this position, or do you not realize how far the goalposts have shifted? In 2022, prominent AI critic Gary Marcus offered to bet $100,000 that we wouldn't have AGI by 2029. https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/dear-elon-musk-here-are-fi... Because the definition of AGI is unclear, he defined that AGI would be achieved if an AI model could…

That’s his definition and in no way a universal one. In the meantime, it’s still very easy to differentiate between an AI and a human in a chat. You just need to know the quirks of these systems. Like counting letters, hitting the safeguards, etc. So call me when one of them can pass the Turing test against me and then we can talk about AGI

> So call me when one of them can pass the Turing test against me and then we can talk about AGI

Ring ring I'm calling you right now. We blew past the Turing test goalpost over a year ago, using 2024 models.

https://www.ie.edu/uncover-ie/has-ai-passed-the-turing-test-...

GPT-4.5 passed the Turing Test with a 73% human rating, outscoring actual human subjects. That is, human evaluators considered the AI more human than an actual human, 73% of the time. LLaMa-3.1 was judged to be a human 56% of the time.

The 'strawberry' test was fixed years ago with the invention of CoT; models only fail that test today when thinking is disabled.

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