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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by keeda »

stymaar wrote: post #71
tokioyoyo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads.

Ads work when you can server $.01 worth of ads to a user for $.0001 of server cost. I fail to see how you can make it work when doing LLM inference which is significantly costlier than web search.

That's a problem Google has to solve too ;-)

To expand: it seems inevitable that Google's SERP format will be replaced with a conversational / chatbot / agentic interface, which equalizes the playing field for all chatbot providers.

This is because you can stuff in much fewer ads into a chat interface compared to SERPs. (They could try stuffing more ads but that would likely just push users more to the competition who have a much lower baseline on which to show growth.) As such, Google would be forced to progressively nullify its own invincible firehose of ad revenue as they deprecate SERPs in favor of AI overviews.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by hluska »

fragmede wrote: post #108
Tostino wrote: post #62

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People tell these models everything . You don't think a pretty unethical company can figure out a way to monetize that?

If someone tells ChatGPT I'm cheating on my wife, sure, unethically they could blackmail the user but that seems like a stretch.

I think the consumer profiling side is more compelling (and likely) than blackmail.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #69
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't see how they're going to be google here. The free tier is dominated by verticle integration and the platform that people use. Long term I imagine google wins the bottom of the market and I'd be suprised if they lost.

Ads.

More like LLMs are near commodity at the common tier the ones who wins are those who can inference the cheapest and google is easily thr best positioned to do that with many years of custom chip model optimization.

Google is going to be able to push cost down further and for longer than anyone else. They also rightfully believe this is a company ending gamble if they fail they could be a second tier player for decades.

So better inference margins, far better operation experience serving cheap AI at massive scale, a massive warchest, and the fear of complete company irrelevence.

That's going to be one hell of a company to beat for free tier LLMs. Also chatgpt is impressive but it's notthing like google search quite yet. On top of that AI labs must use google's product for their AI.

They also own more data by an exponential margin. Anything but dominance of free AI on google's side would mean they are just so incompetent they deserve to fail.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by hluska »

stavros wrote: post #104
stymaar wrote: post #73

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And after half an hour using it he'd just admit that his test was way too simple as these models are still way too dumb

How are the models too dumb? How are they dumber than the average person? I wonder if anyone gave Claude an IQ test (the one for humans).

Dumb is too simplistic, but they sure don’t pass for being human. That would be the intent of a Turing test… not IQ.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by hluska »

simonw wrote: post #43

Nothing in the ChatGPT model release notes yet: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9624314-model-release-no... (This is a subtle nudge at anyone from OpenAI who reads this to make sure they get updated.) OpenAI have a model called "chat-latest" - I wonder if that's running this new model yet: https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/chat-latest It's described as "points to the latest Instant model currently use…

It’s not subtle when you point it out - you’re looking for a different phrase entirely.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by kaszanka »

> Because this version of GPT‑5.6 Sol is optimized for everyday chats, it will only be available in the Chat experience in ChatGPT. The version of GPT‑5.6 Sol that powers Work and Codex is not changing as part of this release.

Hm, does this mean that 5.6 Pro in ChatGPT web is somehow different/not as good now? I found it really good for code review (upload your repo and patch and off it goes).

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by fragmede »

in-silico wrote: post #81
heaney-555 wrote: post #31

Giving free ChatGPT users access to reasoning (the 'Think' toggle) will have a broader impact on the world than every new paid model and coding agent combined.

Does the free tier really not have access to reasoning models? That would explain a lot of the terrible AI/LLM takes online.

Yes. Go to chat.com in an incognito window and ask it the same question that you ask 5.6-sol with thinking max, and compare. Depending on the question there is or is not a huge difference.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by dannyw »

Sammi wrote: post #49
redox99 wrote: post #39

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Terra is awful and not cheap enough to make up for it. I'd suggest using luna or sol.

So Luna is more awful but it's OK because it's cheaper?

Yes, in the same way a basic, dry hotdog at $5 is bad, but I could love it in $0.50.

Pricing absolutely matters.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by lostmsu »

kubb wrote: post #44
ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

> This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Well, the models are smart enough to point out why this is wrong.

They were trained to do that specifically, don't you think?
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