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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by eru »

red_green_yell wrote: post #137
keeda wrote: post #111

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That's a problem Google has to solve too ;-) To expand: it seems inevitable that Google's SERP format will be replaced with a conversational / chatbot / agentic interface, which equalizes the playing field for all chatbot providers. This is because you can stuff in much fewer ads into a chat interface compared to SERPs. (They could try stuffing more ads but that would likely just push users more to the competition wh…

Google has multiple massive cost advantages over OAI: TPUs, free access to massively valuable data (search index, gmail, maps reviews/PO/ navigation, youtube, android etc.), lower talent costs, lower training costs, lower distribution costs (they can shove AI down our throats in so many different places), lower ad infrastructure costs (it will be a lot of work for OAI to recreate adwords), lower ad sales costs (OAI d…

I'm not sure Google has lower talent costs. What makes you think so?

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by jimbob45 »

crab_galaxy wrote: post #109
gavinray wrote: post #56

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I'm not sure people fully comprehend the trickle-down pop-culture/zeitgeist effects that LLM's are having/are going to have on humanity. Because everyone now outsources much of their thinking and researching to LLM's, our collective culture + brain is shaped in a cyclical manner by using them. It's the mechanical homogenization of culture and groupthink.

Is that really accurate though? I use Claude in my software job but the majority of my friends do not use it at all. And I never use it for anything other than that either. TBH I don’t find it useful at all for personal use. It’s totally soulless for creative ventures and absolute dogshit at researching the things I want it to be good at (I.e. planning a vacation or finding new music). All that combined with the soci…

+1 to this. Many of my engineer friends don’t use AI even in cases where it could clearly help them. Not out of any principles stance but because they just don’t understand that it could speed up their work. It doesn’t help that the advertising surrounding AI hasn’t communicated its benefits well - either you’ve tried it and you get it or you just don’t know. I would imagine some early horseback riders in the 20th century probably felt similarly about the automobile.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by theptip »

stymaar wrote: post #71
tokioyoyo wrote: post #69

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Ads.

Ads work when you can server $.01 worth of ads to a user for $.0001 of server cost. I fail to see how you can make it work when doing LLM inference which is significantly costlier than web search.

OpenAI can very plausibly target ads far better than Google can.

Email is a good window but lots of people talk in more depth with a chat bot.

Search is a good “purchase intent moment” but people are telling a chat bot exactly what they care about in a purchase, rather than making indirect search terms and reading review sites.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by theptip »

fragmede wrote: post #100
stymaar wrote: post #71

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Ads work when you can server $.01 worth of ads to a user for $.0001 of server cost. I fail to see how you can make it work when doing LLM inference which is significantly costlier than web search.

Except that Google is giving AI answers for ~every search now, so they're paying that cost for every search now as well.

I bet they cache a lot more than OpenAI can though.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by maxipoo »

aryehof wrote: post #135

For me on a paid plan, the effort indicator was hidden and the model was 5.5 instant. I had to press the + button to select “think harder” before the dial that allowed Sol medium or high to be selected to show. It made me wonder how many paid subscribers realize they are using the same 5.5 instant model as free users by default. A dark pattern or oversight?

How many can tell the difference?

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by vitorgrs »

heaney-555 wrote: post #31

Giving free ChatGPT users access to reasoning (the 'Think' toggle) will have a broader impact on the world than every new paid model and coding agent combined.

There was already thinking in free model though. They removed the option a while ago and made it automatic... But you could force by just saying "think hard" or whatever.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by reed1234 »

aryehof wrote: post #135

For me on a paid plan, the effort indicator was hidden and the model was 5.5 instant. I had to press the + button to select “think harder” before the dial that allowed Sol medium or high to be selected to show. It made me wonder how many paid subscribers realize they are using the same 5.5 instant model as free users by default. A dark pattern or oversight?

And it hides again and reverts to instant when you are away from the app for a while. Definitely annoying.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by vitorgrs »

dbbk wrote: post #83
skybrian wrote: post #19

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Some people want quick results. Some people want it to keep searching for a new math proof overnight without giving up, and they have money to burn. It seems like giving it a time limit or a budget in dollars would be clearer, though? Or, keep searching until I come back to the computer and ask about progress.

I don't understand this at all. Whenever I ask Gemini 3.1 Pro Extended, or Claude 5 Max something in chat, the most I ever wait is maybe 30 seconds. Is that really so bad?

If you just want to know "When it's the next full moon", yes. Very bad as google can answer in 1s.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by vitorgrs »

stuartq wrote: post #60
redox99 wrote: post #39

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Terra is awful and not cheap enough to make up for it. I'd suggest using luna or sol.

Terra is far from awful. I've not used Luna enough to judge whether it's significantly better than Luna, but at least via GitHub Copilot, Terra is leaps ahead of Sonnet 5.

Luna is not bad, but... you feel is a small model. It have less knowledge. It's ok for purely agentic stuff (web searching etc).

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by pants2 »

maxipoo wrote: post #145
aryehof wrote: post #135

For me on a paid plan, the effort indicator was hidden and the model was 5.5 instant. I had to press the + button to select “think harder” before the dial that allowed Sol medium or high to be selected to show. It made me wonder how many paid subscribers realize they are using the same 5.5 instant model as free users by default. A dark pattern or oversight?

How many can tell the difference?

There's a super obvious tell, 5.5 instant loves emojis.
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