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Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by khalic »

tristanj wrote: post #185
khalic wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok so first the industry takes the AI term, uses it with a very vague resemblance to what it used to mean, for marketing purpose, then they latch on to the AGI term to talk about what people used to consider AI. Now there is no sign of actual AGI happening any time soon, so we're going to reinterpret AGI to mean something diminutive like a chatbot? Don't you see a problem here? Terms are used to describe the world an…

> Now there is no sign of actual AGI happening any time soon Do you genuinely hold this position, or do you not realize how far the goalposts have shifted? In 2022, prominent AI critic Gary Marcus offered to bet $100,000 that we wouldn't have AGI by 2029. https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/dear-elon-musk-here-are-fi... Because the definition of AGI is unclear, he defined that AGI would be achieved if an AI model could…

That’s his definition and in no way a universal one.

In the meantime, it’s still very easy to differentiate between an AI and a human in a chat. You just need to know the quirks of these systems. Like counting letters, hitting the safeguards, etc.

So call me when one of them can pass the Turing test against me and then we can talk about AGI

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #42
ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

If we could show the current models to someone like Alan Turing, I am sure he would conclude that we have AGI.

You say that they pass the Turing test yet every post on HN complains about the way LLMs write so clearly they haven’t passed it yet because we can still tell it’s a bot.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by ssl-3 »

dannyw wrote: post #119
Sammi wrote: post #49

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So Luna is more awful but it's OK because it's cheaper?

Yes, in the same way a basic, dry hotdog at $5 is bad, but I could love it in $0.50. Pricing absolutely matters.

Indeed.

I buy 2 hot dogs for $1 at Sheetz sometimes. For that price, I get them with mustard, onions, and sauerkraut already on them.

They are not excellent in any way. I will probably never love them. :)

But they're available 24/7/365 and they don't take long for the staff to throw together.

And most importantly: They sure are cheap.

(Costco's $1.50 dog+Coke is much higher quality and presents a better value, but it requires visiting a Costco and that has its own cost.)

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by solenoid0937 »

bredren wrote: post #161
try-working wrote: post #154

What's even more noticable is that Anthropic still hasn't responded to the Kimi K3 release or the DeepSeek release.

Even more so has been what appears to be a miss with Opus 5 in Claude Code.

Opus 5 is amazing if you use it as an autonomous agent as opposed to a pair programmer. It's like Fable at a much lower price.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by chippiewill »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #42
ilaksh wrote: post #23

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. This clearly implies that they believe ChatGPT models are AGI and are now willing to say it out loud. Which I think is a fair interpretation of the term. They are general purpose intelligence in that you can get help f…

If we could show the current models to someone like Alan Turing, I am sure he would conclude that we have AGI.

Turing was a helluva smart guy, but he doesn't have the benefit of hindsight.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by solenoid0937 »

user43928 wrote: post #159
thejazzman wrote: post #92

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Don’t say the last part out loud or it will be $800.

With Kimi K3 and Qwen 3.8 Max on their heels, I think the only way they can pull that off is by selling much better models.

I use K3 a lot, it is far behind Fable imo. For personal projects I use Kimi and for anything that matters I use Fable.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by solenoid0937 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #75

> Our mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. We’re introducing updates to ChatGPT that improve everyday conversations while expanding access for Free users. My mission is world conquest. I'm writing a comment on an HN thread. No, those two clauses have no relation whatsoever. I just felt like saying the first sentence because it sounded cool.

They are communicating that they have reached AGI in order to create a trail of documentation for the Microsoft legal battle

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by ssl-3 »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #117

Excellent. Yes, please give free users more access and leave paying codex users in the dust. Wise plan, Sam.

Eh?

I've paid for ChatGPT (and in the recent ~year, codex) for about as long as it was available to pay for. I'm not upset by the offer of giving luna to the masses for free -- not at all.

Should I be upset that people can cut-and-paste to the lessest of the new model variations for free? If so, then why?

Nothing was taken from me here. I'm still going to keep doing whatever it is that I do with the tools that I've been using.

I'm not in competition with anyone, and even if I were then it wouldn't be with those who are using ChatGPT for free on the web.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by pinkgolem »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #192
kkoncevicius wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we could show the current models to someone like Alan Turing, I am sure he would conclude that we have AGI.

You say that they pass the Turing test yet every post on HN complains about the way LLMs write so clearly they haven’t passed it yet because we can still tell it’s a bot.

You can also change the writing style with a prompt quit easily, if the same person would publish millions of articles, we would also recognize them.

Re: Improving GPT‑5.6 Sol in ChatGPT, expanding GPT‑5.6 Luna access for free users

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Post by PunchTornado »

pinkgolem wrote: post #199
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that they pass the Turing test yet every post on HN complains about the way LLMs write so clearly they haven’t passed it yet because we can still tell it’s a bot.

You can also change the writing style with a prompt quit easily, if the same person would publish millions of articles, we would also recognize them.

I don't understand. do you think that people can't figure it out if they speak with llms or not from a few turns?
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