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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by queenkjuul »

kybernetyk wrote: post #654
peterlk wrote: post #59

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Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Can't you just snip/disconnect the speaker/bell wire? I did this back when I had a truck and often had to maneuver with open doors (at very slow speeds) - the "door open warning bell" was so annoying that I just pulled its wires. AFAIK the warning tones don't come from the car's stereo speakers but have its own speaker.

No modern ones almost all go through the stereo

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by netfortius »

weinzierl wrote: post #826
frereubu wrote: post #597

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> Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car. A lot of these features seem to assume that you're driving on a multi-lane motorway with well-marked lanes. I'm constantly being nudged by my ID.3 one way or another on rural roads. You can turn it off, but it turns itself back…

"caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within" Not sure if this has ever been implemented but I know from my time in automotive that there was the idea to exchange driving data with the insurer. If this becomes reality ignoring speed limits could increase your insurance premiums.

This reminds me of the time I was (still working) in the US, for one of the big insurers, and we were researching ways to detect on which side of the car our client gets in, to assume (if from the right, in the US) that our app shall not trigger the "driver" mode, thus all the consequences if being assumed responsible. Fun times.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by franktankbank »

WalterBright wrote: post #463
yallpendantools wrote: post #455

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Reminds me of the tensest moment in my first month driving and with a brand new car too. I started driving and something beeped. I was in pretty thick traffic at the time so I nervously (I can't emphasize this enough) found a quieter side road to troubleshoot. I think there was also an indicator on the dashboard to couple with the beep but if it did, the icon representation left much for guesswork. After about five m…

I've gotten beeps and something flashed on the instrument panel, but when I focused my eyes on the instrument panel, it was gone. Freakin' useless. A better user interface would be to have the whole panel turn red when you're about to hit something.

Freakin useless is hiding OBD codes.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mmmlinux »

inventor7777 wrote: post #406
Reason077 wrote: post #165

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In my experience (Tesla), attention monitoring works well even when I'm wearing sunglasses. The camera can still see my eyes even through dark polarised lenses. It may depend on the sunglasses, however - other people report problems with sunglasses that have mirrored lenses etc.

Sometimes I wonder if Tesla also has a much better software stack than most other manufacturers. IIRC, Tesla has had interior cameras in their cars for years now and I haven't heard about major issues stemming from it.

It wouldn't be surprising if they did have a better tech stack. also judging from the state of things, it wouldn't be that hard either.

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Post by psd1 »

vincnetas wrote: post #737
frereubu wrote: post #597

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> Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car. A lot of these features seem to assume that you're driving on a multi-lane motorway with well-marked lanes. I'm constantly being nudged by my ID.3 one way or another on rural roads. You can turn it off, but it turns itself back…

You can use OBD2 dongle to change default setting of lane assist to be off by default (after car starts) And many more setting that are decided for you as if you were using a rental car not your own. Like always reseting air conditioner to 22C after starting a car. God dammit i want 20C. Let it stay like that when i start a car.

> You can use OBD2 dongle to change default setting of lane assist

Colour me skeptical. ODBII is just a protocol; it knows nothing of the modules on your buses. I think you will find you need the dealer software. Tools exist that implement big chunks of that functionality, but since they are built on reverse-engineering, the price approaches the dealer software anyway.

The only place i found the Mercedes software was a paid forum that obscures the links. Getting the cracks working was a magic incantation. It's similar for VAG. They won't sell you the software if you're not a dealer.

You will not get there with a £40 ebay special. If you can, please share what works, it will be of much interest to many.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by al_borland »

aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

> But would pray that the equivalent of Frame.work appears, I can get an open source car with an open source infotainment.

You may want to check out Slate. They just started taking orders I think. Every one off the line is the same, then you can customize it how you want with aftermarket stuff. There is no infotainment system, bring your own.

https://www.slate.auto

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by letitbeirie »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #694
kybernetyk wrote: post #657

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Those alarms are pretty much mandated by law. So it's politicians/law makers who "design" those alarms. This smells like inexperienced engineers designing something and then being surprised by side effects. Sadly there's a severe (temporal) disconnect between making the law and seeing its results in person.

I suspect there are plenty of politicians who subscribe to the ‘cars are evil’ mindset and are content with making the driving experience increasingly miserable.

The irony there being the "cars are evil" politicians are typically the strongest advocates for EVs, but EVs (being new) are the cars most likely to be affected by these annoyances.

I would love to replace my 2007 GTI with something cleaner and quieter but I genuinely don't see anything new as that big of an upgrade - my car has physical buttons for every feature, it doesn't (intentionally) make any stupid noises, and it's a stick shift in the US so it's essentially theft-proof.

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Post by letitbeirie »

petre wrote: post #622
ghastmaster wrote: post #435

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Do you know if the law prevents you from modifying the car to disable these devices? Caveat to anyone considering this: Modifying could be used against you in a liability case. Additionally if your insurance contract has some stipulation about not removing these safety "features" and they find out, I would think you could be dropped.

Does soaking the beeper with water trigger a modification clause? Annoying alarms trigger driver distresss which has equally negative effect on attention while driving. We had a replacement Yaris that had the speed alarms but one could lower the volume to the point where it didn't matter much. Much better design than the older Toyotas which would beep incessantly and louder if you didn't put belts on, back seats incl…

> back seats included

I ended up buying loose seat belt buckles for my wife's car from a pull and pay to stop this. Evidently nobody at Toyota has a dog.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by awakeasleep »

BeetleB wrote: post #605
awakeasleep wrote: post #565

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The truck I was driving had physical buttons for all the climate control functions, and for volume/on-off too. It wouldn't have been surprising to me if I was distracted fiddling with the screen, but it would give me the alert because I was playing with the buttons for an extended period of time.

Ah - whenever I had a car with physical buttons, I could typically press the ones I wanted without looking. Fairly quickly too. That's why I hate screens.

Yep I found that was only true for me after the distraction-detector made me put conscious effort into using the buttons without looking. By default I'm a button-looker
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