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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

If your primary mode of transportation is a bicycle and you're cheering shit that annoys and (critically) distracts motorists you might have a death wish.

I feel compelled to mention that the vast majority of cyclists are part of a household which owns a car, as well.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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I hired a Chinese Haval Car for a weekend last year (Australia). It started beeping at me for being distracted because I was checking for traffic in the other lanes - which is crucial when driving in a 4 lane highway. Of cause, I had never experienced such a beep before, so I had to take my eyes off the road tp look at the screen to see what the reason for the beeping was. Then, on a multlane highway, I would indicat…

> The whole point of indication is to signal my intention to move, so that the car in my blind spot creates room for me to merge into their lane. That is definitely not the point of a turning signal. The car that's already in the lane has right of way and it's your responsibility not to plow into them. If they opt to make room for you, great (that's just courteous driving), but it's not an obligation. If you can't se…

But if you do a shoulder check, the car will beep for tacking your eyes off the road!

Third base!

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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You need to splice in a looped recorded video like in a heist movie, otherwise the camera detects blockage from the tape and incessantly beeps

Disconnect the beep

You’ll fail the mandatory inspection

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Can't you just snip/disconnect the speaker/bell wire? I did this back when I had a truck and often had to maneuver with open doors (at very slow speeds) - the "door open warning bell" was so annoying that I just pulled its wires.

AFAIK the warning tones don't come from the car's stereo speakers but have its own speaker.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Solidarity. Cars belong in the rubbish bin of history. The Soviet Union had the right idea, as usual--make cars unbearable to drive to encourage public transportation.

That works for people in cities, if cities were made to by usable by cyclists and pedestrians. Not so much for people that live in rural areas.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

> I feel like there’s some lesson here in building to the lowest common denominator, and giving people products rather than tools (tools are more dangerous, but more useful), but maybe I’m just grumpy. It's from a culture that says more alarms = safer. Perhaps the people who design these things need an alarm to warn them of "alarm fatigue".

Those alarms are pretty much mandated by law. So it's politicians/law makers who "design" those alarms. This smells like inexperienced engineers designing something and then being surprised by side effects. Sadly there's a severe (temporal) disconnect between making the law and seeing its results in person.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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I have a Volkswagen ID3, I love the adaptive cruise control. Yes, it gets it wrong in some spots (signage isn't great here in Asturias, Spain), and it gets it wrong in both directions (too slow at certain locations, too fast in others). But I still appreciate the convenience of not having to keep an eye on the speed nor the distance between the my car and the vehicles in front of me when driving on the freeway, where…

I have a CRV with adaptive cruise (USA) and while the car reads the speed limit signs it only uses them for display. There are instances where it misreads signs which is understandable because some of the road signs are very similar or the posted speed only applies to trucks ect. But it does not adjust based on the reading, I manually set the speed but of course it'll slow down if there's a car in front. Automaticall…

In Germany: Outside of residential areas, about 10 km/h more for speedometer displaying too high + official speed trap tolerance, another 10 if you are willing to accept an occasional minor fine.

Or more or less strictly on the limit to avoid stress and have a safety margin.

The older I get, the more I pick the last option.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

I legit can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

That's what so great about it, isn't it?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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> Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs. Not even that. They know the laws are stupid. They don't care. It's just another day at work for them. They're trying to surgically write laws to garner support/votes from shorsighted hand wringing Karens (plenty of examples in HN comments) while also not actually hurting industry/donors. So stupid rules and stupid beeps are what you get.

Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you).

We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets all his materials to the bakery.

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