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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by matheusmoreira »

tiew9Vii wrote: post #580
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

2016-2017 seems peek car from a car owner/driving perspective. Before the beeps, bongs, giant screens started and button removal took over. Currently driving a 2010 euro hot hatch, when that dies will be looking at a 2016-2017 vintage. I watched a very interesting video over the weekend, the lost discipline of the alarm. It goes in to the research of alarms and alarm fatigue negative consequences. Seems very relevant…

> I’ll pull the fuse for all the annoying beeps and bongs and safety features.

I wonder if this will remain possible. To kill my car's annoying beeps, all I had to do was cut some wires. That implies it was just an optional "feature" that they tacked on. What happens when they start deeply integrating this nonsense?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by petre »

ghastmaster wrote: post #435
peterlk wrote: post #59

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Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Do you know if the law prevents you from modifying the car to disable these devices? Caveat to anyone considering this: Modifying could be used against you in a liability case. Additionally if your insurance contract has some stipulation about not removing these safety "features" and they find out, I would think you could be dropped.

Does soaking the beeper with water trigger a modification clause?

Annoying alarms trigger driver distresss which has equally negative effect on attention while driving.

We had a replacement Yaris that had the speed alarms but one could lower the volume to the point where it didn't matter much. Much better design than the older Toyotas which would beep incessantly and louder if you didn't put belts on, back seats included.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by m463 »

aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

> New cars are UX nightmares.

It's amazing that china might be the one stepping up and regulating sanity by returning good turn signals and gear selectors:

https://www.notateslaapp.com//news/3593/tesla-likely-to-make...

(on some models tesla has turn signals as buttons on the wheel/yoke and gear selection on the ...touchscreen... yikes)

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by petre »

frereubu wrote: post #597
peterlk wrote: post #59

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Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

> Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car. A lot of these features seem to assume that you're driving on a multi-lane motorway with well-marked lanes. I'm constantly being nudged by my ID.3 one way or another on rural roads. You can turn it off, but it turns itself back…

Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

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Post by [deleted] »

moffkalast wrote: post #288
peterlk wrote: post #59

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Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Driving4answers had a similar rant recently about the 2024 Prius, where there's an always-on warning beep every time you enter an intersection, which intrusively pulls away your attention in the exact moment when you need to be focusing on the road the most. I'll be surprised if it doesn't cause someone to die in the coming years. Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs.

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Brybry »

CircuitSeuss wrote: post #572

Driver monitoring systems will be required in all 2027 vehicles in the US as well. https://www.gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-becom...

If you read that article and check the latest status, the NHTSA was supposed to make a rule by 2024 and it's 2026 now. [1]

In their latest report to Congress they are not any closer to a rule because, amongst other reasons, all of the impairment detection methods are currently too inaccurate to use. [2]

I personally think it's very unlikely they will pass a rule by 2027 and that it might never get made. I think they'll just keep sending Congress a yearly update saying the same thing: "Sorry, none of the solutions work so we can't make a rule."

[1] https://www.regulations.gov/docket/NHTSA-2022-0079

[2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2026-03/Report-t...

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by compass_copium »

phoronixrly wrote: post #502
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #490

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> Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs. Not even that. They know the laws are stupid. They don't care. It's just another day at work for them. They're trying to surgically write laws to garner support/votes from shorsighted hand wringing Karens (plenty of examples in HN comments) while also not actually hurting industry/donors. So stupid rules and stupid beeps are what you get.

Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Solidarity. Cars belong in the rubbish bin of history. The Soviet Union had the right idea, as usual--make cars unbearable to drive to encourage public transportation.

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Post by ryantgtg »

mattrighetti wrote: post #520
Gigachad wrote: post #399

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It only sounds like overreach because we have become numb to an incredible amount of killing from distracted drivers.

Did a quick research and saw that in 2024 there were around 12k deaths in which one or more drunk drivers were involved. Doesn’t seem like much for a country with around 350 million people. In comparison, drug causes 7x those deaths. Cancer and heart diseases even more.

Every car safety post on HN has "guy who thinks 12k deaths is maybe not too bad." Thanks, guy! You really put things in perspective there.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by js4ever »

senordevnyc wrote: post #234
zackify wrote: post #154

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After seeing kia evs and having a Tesla. Its the only good EV brand because the software from everywhere else is a complete joke. Kia will tell me my doors are unlocked when I'm at home. Tesla has a set home feature. Plus the 50 other annoyances. Regen doesn't even persist with kia. You have to press the paddle to add it every time you start the car. All this to say, the only good ux car anymore is tesla. Too bad the…

Sigh, I’m so afraid you’re right, since I don’t want to buy a Tesla for values reasons. I wonder if Rivian will be competitive on the software front?

Wow so you prefer to purchase a worse product to appease your leftist views? (or is it just typical virtue signaling?)

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by petre »

sixtyj wrote: post #122
peterlk wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Imagine driving thru night with kids sleeping and suddenly car starts beeping. Is there a way how to switch sensors off for similar situations?

The kids will wake up a few times, then just get used and grow up to ignore all the annoying beeps.

My boss sometimes drives without a belt while the car keeps beeping and he succesfully ignores it.

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