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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Klathmon »

mattrighetti wrote: post #520
Gigachad wrote: post #399

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It only sounds like overreach because we have become numb to an incredible amount of killing from distracted drivers.

Did a quick research and saw that in 2024 there were around 12k deaths in which one or more drunk drivers were involved. Doesn’t seem like much for a country with around 350 million people. In comparison, drug causes 7x those deaths. Cancer and heart diseases even more.

I feel like we have the technology to prevent a car from starting if the driver is significantly impared, but "solving" addiction, cancer, and heart disease are much harder problems.

Obviously it would need to be implemented carefully, but I personally would be more than fine blowing into a tube to start my car if it meant saving 12k lives a year with a very low false positive rate.

That being said I know it would never be implemented in a sane way in the US, and you would probably have situations like your car insurance automatically increasing due to a faulty sensor, so I'm ultimately against it unless a lot of other stuff changes.

But it's still much more possible than "preventing drug addiction"

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by galangalalgol »

whatsupdog wrote: post #587
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #490

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> Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs. Not even that. They know the laws are stupid. They don't care. It's just another day at work for them. They're trying to surgically write laws to garner support/votes from shorsighted hand wringing Karens (plenty of examples in HN comments) while also not actually hurting industry/donors. So stupid rules and stupid beeps are what you get.

Women's suffrage was the stupidest thing humanity ever did. And the general populace is still not ready to admit the mistake, as proven by the expected incoming downvotes.

I'm not going to upvote you, because I don't agree. I do hope they don't bury this though. A lot of people (some women included) think as you do. But I have never felt comfortable asking why in person. As long as you are exposing yourself to ridicule would you mind explaining? The obvious answer was always the notion that women make decisions on emotions more often, but is that really well supported? My experience is that they simply make decisions based on different emotions.

Edit: I think most destructive decisions are made in fear, and everyone does that sometimes. But we fear different things.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by fuzzzerd »

benjiro29 wrote: post #203
snapetom wrote: post #109

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Last year, I rented a Kia. I was coasting downhill on a curve and approached a group of bikers. Everything was fine. I was a little below the speed limit, they were in the bike lane, I was in my lane, it was a sunny day. The car detected them as a hazard to avoid and STRAIGHTENED AND LOCKED MY STEERING WHEEL in the middle of the curve turn. I ran into a shallow ditch, but holy shit, what if it took control and over c…

> on a curve O yea, that is driver lane assist ... A Toyota rental had the same issue. In a specific steep exit corner (that goes up facing the sun), how many ** times the lane assist tries to force the car to go straight (as in, off the hill! ). The first few times when it happens, scares the ** out of me. Another fun one is going down a hill in a Rental Opel, roundabout with some cars, no problem. Slowing down natu…

> If your a safe driver

That's the issue. So many people are burried in their phone or just simply driving irresponsibly for the conditions, these features may be better for them.

As someone who respects the responsibility of driving a vehicle, they're definitely making things less safe in some situations.

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Post by stubish »

xienze wrote: post #485
throw2ih020 wrote: post #407

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> When I'm cruising on the highway I like to rest my right wrist on the top of the wheel, which blocks the sensor. Won't this shatter your wrist if your airbag deploys? I remember being taught to hold the sides of the wheel in driving class.

There's theory and there's practice. In theory you're supposed to maintain 10 and 2 at all times. In practice, that gets fatiguing over long trips.

Hello from the 80s! It is now 9 and 3. This changed due to airbags and too many people learning what 'degloving' means.

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Post by userbinator »

SugarReflex wrote: post #446
0x000xca0xfe wrote: post #348

Every year it feels more surprising how motorcycling is still allowed. No seatbelt, no ABS, no problem...

I don't know about other countries, but public transport buses in Australia don't have seat belts on them. Even as a kid, I remember wondering why there was such a fuss made around seat belts in cars when you couldn't use one if you wanted to on the bus. It was funny, when I went to the Philippines for the first time, I got into a cab and was trying to put my seat belt on when everyone laughed and said "no no you don…

Buses in America don't have seatbelts either. They're just so big and heavy relatively to cars that you're very unlikely to be seriously injured. (It does happen of course, and that usually makes the news.)

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by frereubu »

peterlk wrote: post #59
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

> Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car.

A lot of these features seem to assume that you're driving on a multi-lane motorway with well-marked lanes. I'm constantly being nudged by my ID.3 one way or another on rural roads. You can turn it off, but it turns itself back on the next time you unlock the car.

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Post by fsuts »

carlosjobim wrote: post #525
fsuts wrote: post #222

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In the event of a serious accident police will likely check to see if it was tampered with and so sentence will be more severe

That's not how courts function.

Why are you mentioning how courts function?

It’s the police who decide what are lines of enquiries to be followed and then present that evidence to the prosecutor.

If the defence want to file to exclude any exhibits that’s a decision for them, the ‘courts function’ by deciding on the evidence before them.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Reason077 »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #397
EA-3167 wrote: post #146

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I can answer this, since I have a new car with this camera and polarized sunglasses. MOST of the time it's good about telling when I'm looking and when I'm not, out of maybe... 5 alerts over the previous 8 months all, but one occurred when I was in fact looking away for one reason or another. Likewise when it's correct my lane-keeping it's been right about me drifting. Given how inattentive I see other drivers being,…

There is no way that training people not to worry is making us all safer. I don't even like how new cars have this thing where they will automatically hold the brake once stopped even if you let go. There is no way it's a net good to train people that running cars just stay where you put them like an inert object does.

Cars have had that feature ("hill hold assist") for 20+ years now. Even longer for high-end models. There can't be all that many vehicles left on the road that don't have it.

Besides, you could make such an argument for any safety feature: "I don't like how new cars have ABS brakes. We shouldn't be training people that you can just slam on the brakes on a slippery surface and expect the wheels to not lock up..."

... "I don't like how new cars have seatbelts. We shouldn't train people that they can just crash into things and not have their face go through the windshield"...

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by throwaway2037 »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

    > At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008.
You might as well stick to horses. What is so specific about eighteen years ago (2026 - 2008 ~= 18)? Does that mean that you will never drive an electric car?
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