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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by dlcarrier »

dlcarrier wrote: post #197
aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

You mean the bZ4X. It wasn't enough that the name is incomprehensible, they also capitalized it incomprehensibly. I think the primary goal of that car was to see how few they could sell, so they could go back to hybrid and hydrogen.

I forgot to mention, it's stylized as: ᵇZ4X

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Post by Sabinus »

frollogaston wrote: post #278
antondd wrote: post #71

Before you comment or engage with the OP, check his comment and submission history. Make of it what you will.

To make things fair, I looked at both yours and his. Guess he's concerned about privacy especially in the EU, and you like to call anyone a Russian bot for complaining. I probably qualify as Russian bot too, brb changing Lada oil.

If it helps, my posting history is more diverse and I agree with antondd. OP's free to post what they like about the EU but I think people should know what sort of an ideological position it's coming from.

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Post by xattt »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

How vulnerable are road sign cameras to, say, someone sticking a vertical strip of black electrical tape to make the 50 appear as a 150?

Is there any cross-referencing to an onboard GPS database? GPS-based speed alerts are a feature of base-model Hyundais/Kias in Canada, so it doesn’t seem to be too far of a stretch for a failsafe.

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Post by peibye »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

In the states, buy a manual car if you can get one. I have a manual Subaru crosstrek from 2021 and the only features it has is cruise control and a backup camera.

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Post by shye »

xtracto wrote: post #351
Aboutplants wrote: post #135

Goal - make driving so annoying that customers will be begging for fully self driving cars!

Good, hopefully in 10-15 years we will have mostly self-driving cars for most ground transportation requirements.

If we're allowed to dream, make it public transit, as private cars, regardless of how they are driven, are a climate disaster we can not afford.

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Post by inventor7777 »

Reason077 wrote: post #165
cellular wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many bells would sound if SUNGLASSES hid your eyes?!

In my experience (Tesla), attention monitoring works well even when I'm wearing sunglasses. The camera can still see my eyes even through dark polarised lenses. It may depend on the sunglasses, however - other people report problems with sunglasses that have mirrored lenses etc.

Sometimes I wonder if Tesla also has a much better software stack than most other manufacturers. IIRC, Tesla has had interior cameras in their cars for years now and I haven't heard about major issues stemming from it.

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Post by throw2ih020 »

xienze wrote: post #67
awakeasleep wrote: post #9

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

> It also seemed really accurate. It's really not. When I'm cruising on the highway I like to rest my right wrist on the top of the wheel, which blocks the sensor. "Watch the road" "Watch the road" "Watch the road"

> When I'm cruising on the highway I like to rest my right wrist on the top of the wheel, which blocks the sensor.

Won't this shatter your wrist if your airbag deploys? I remember being taught to hold the sides of the wheel in driving class.

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Post by colechristensen »

awakeasleep wrote: post #9

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

I wear some pretty thick glasses and my parents' car CONSTANTLY beeped at me to pay attention to the road.

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Post by Scoundreller »

darrylb42 wrote: post #251
pwg wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which can pose a significant (and growing, as standards improve) obstacle for older cars. At least for my state, the emissions test a car has to pass is whatever it was supposed to have passed when it was fresh off the assembly line. So older cars do not have to pass stricter newer standards that newer cars have to pass. Now, granted, wear and tear will eventually result in an older car not passing its original sta…

BC stopped emission testing 10ish years ago because new cars almost never fail so there wasn't much value continuing the program.

Dunno why these programs never took a sampling approach and data-mined which makes/models/years to target the next year/cycle.

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Post by mfro »

cloverich wrote: post #295
mfro wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those interested or forced to buy a new car — I recently picked up a brand new Hyundai and was impressed the new tech does not get in the way. ‘Driver attention warning’ does not have a face camera, it just uses the front sensor to confirm you’re not all over the place. It can also be disabled. Lane assist can be disabled with one button on the wheel. Almost all important controls are real (non capacitive) button…

We have two new Hyunadai's. My experience is mixed. For one, I get the "consider taking a break" warning constantly - possibly my sleepy eyes? In the Sante Fe, the cruise control disengages constantly b/c it can't see my face when I drive with left hand (my default) - this does not happen in our Ioniq though. Rear view camera + warning has been helpful on one occasion, but both rear and side cameras have fully diseng…

Interesting. From the hyundai manual, driver attention monitoring only uses front sensor with no face recognition in the vehicle as far as I can tell. Are you sure your cruise control issue isn’t because of hand sensors?

Also, I think the issue with it stopping the car sounds like ‘collision avoidance forward safety’ which can be disabled according to the manual. I haven’t had any issues so far though.

I also disable lane assist but largely just because I prefer to have full control. The highway driving assist is really neat though.

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