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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:39 PM UTC

drnick1 wrote: post #102

thegrim33 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety /…

You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Every socialist mayor's favorite anti-car policy.

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by nubg » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

> lane assist

I prefer the term "lane insist"

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by soupbowl » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

FunHearing3443 wrote: post #184

Spooky23 wrote: post #129

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I bought a fancy Toyota SUV after my trusty 2008 Honda was damaged in an accident. The nagging is ridiculous. I’m actually not quite sure what lane assist does, but if I look at my side mirror it chastises me for not being attentive. It also has locked up the brakes and made me think I hit somebody when backing into my driveway. I wish I had fixed the Honda!

Are you talking about an old Honda or some issue with new Hondas?

They had a 2008 Honda which was damaged and bought a new Toyota which has modern issues. Did you read their comment at all?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by consp » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

We have an 80 kph sign about 6m after the autoweg sign (100kph), why they didn't combine them is anyone's guess. My detection system always misses it, and often there are speed checks. Fortunately I can disable sign recognition for the cruise control.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by 2III7 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

I'll keep my 2014 golf mk7 thank you. Euro5, no adblue bullshit. Still gets good mileage, is still cheap to maintain even after 260k km (the biggest expense has been the dual mass flywheel with a clutchpack) and the only high tech feature is a radar based adaptive cruise control.

Considering how many mk7 golfs were made over the years it'll be easy to just get another one for the next decade. I'd also consider the Hyundai ioniq 5 or 6 which have a shortcut on the steering wheel to just disable all the nanny crap.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by VBprogrammer » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #66

drnick1 wrote: post #26

1) Unplug the cellular modem. 2) Unplug the camera or put a piece of blackout tape over the lens. 3) Enjoy!

2.5) Your car doesn’t start 3) Enjoy I will start now but I think not for long. “For your own safety we disabled your car”.

Chances are most manufacturers are going to use a cheap USB camera. Can a raspberry pi emulate webcam? Just place the same video of you diligently staring out of the window on repeat.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by dlcarrier » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

You mean the bZ4X. It wasn't enough that the name is incomprehensible, they also capitalized it incomprehensibly. I think the primary goal of that car was to see how few they could sell, so they could go back to hybrid and hydrogen.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by aucisson_masque » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:40 PM UTC

What prevent you from putting a sticker over it ? 0.1€ cost, can be removed in case of control otherwise you can pretend the camera wasn't working.

End of story...

Honestly, I'm all for more automated system while driving because I drive but I also bike and walk. Some people are complete nuts that shouldn't have their license and the least you can do is hold their hand, with as much algorithm as you can, like they are toddlers driving a 3 Tonne car.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by rendx » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:41 PM UTC

trinix912 wrote: post #121

frollogaston wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is about the EU, but since you brought up US emissions testing... I live in California, only drive mid 2000s cars, and haven't noticed any of the restrictions getting tighter. It's the usual check every 2 years at the same place. Seems my cars are grandfathered into old emissions standards too. And yeah I enjoy having my car shut the hell up and let me drive.

There are some German cities (Munich) where you can’t enter the city center with a diesel car that doesn’t meet the EURO 4 standards. EURO 4 is a low bar but there’s really nothing stopping them from eventually implementing it more widely and upping the requirement to EURO 5, 6, etc.

I've been driving a 1996 VW diesel van in Germany including Munich, and nowhere anyone ever actually cared about the lack of the sticker. And now, at 30 years of age, it turned "oldtimer", so it is officially exempted.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mrtksn » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 9:41 PM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

It BS article, no cameras pointed at your face are required. They require "Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System", don't specify how it should be implemented.

Here's the text describing the system: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/2590/oj/eng

It specifically mentions that it is illegal to use the cameras from such system to identify the person. It is pretty much the opposite of what people think its going to do.

I am sorry you don't like that its not 1984 law but the discussion is bullshit, which means in that instead of 1984 dystopia we are getting the Brave new world dystopia where bullshit prevails in the brave new world.

I am sick and tired of BS rage bates of the endless entertainment; I would take 1984 dystopia anytime, at least we would know who the bad guys are.