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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Death by a thousand cuts. It never stops at just one thing.

Car: You look tired. There's a motel in 3 miles. Car: You appear to be suffering from acne. Try Zit-away, available at the convenience store in 2.4 kilometers. Car: Facial recognition failed. Car is now disabled. Contact your car dealer to reenable vehicle.

That third one sounds like it would be fun trying to explain to your boss.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

#432

That is a good initiative however what ever data is being recorded needs to kept in a responsible and safe manner

Not to worry, Flock, Palantir, and whoever else has use for it will keep it very safe once they buy it from the car company for $1/driver/month.

Edit: Oh maybe MindGeek too, since some car companies reserve the right[1] to record "sexual activity" in the car.

[1] https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-...

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

I recently rented a new car, and just wanted to sit with the windows open while waiting. After I shut the engine off, the interior lights and dash display would remain on for 5+ minutes. If I locked the doors, the interior lights would shut off, but it would automatically roll up all of the windows. Examples of "features" that are infuriating.

That sounds like the kind of feature where there's a setting buried in the menus for it.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

#434

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There’s usually some kind of short cut action to disable that for the car. In a Mercedes you hold the volume down button in the steering wheel for 3 seconds and it “updates settings” which is basically disabling that annoying feature.

Recently rented BMW had the same, disable speed warnings by holding down "Options" button or something on the steering wheel. Annoyingly though, it didn't remember the selected driving profile after being turned off, but not sure if that's because I wasn't logged in to a BMW account, it was a rental, because the profile was the sport profile, or whatever, so had to tap around on an annoying touchscreen to select that…

It's a strict legal requirement for all cars

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Do you know if the law prevents you from modifying the car to disable these devices? Caveat to anyone considering this: Modifying could be used against you in a liability case. Additionally if your insurance contract has some stipulation about not removing these safety "features" and they find out, I would think you could be dropped.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

#436
I found this useful: https://seeingmachines.com/understanding-advanced-driver-dis...

From that article:

"Like DDAW systems, ADDW systems must function without the use of biometric information, including facial recognition, of any vehicle occupants. It must also operate within a closed-loop system, only recording and retaining data on the device that is necessary for the system to function."

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

#437

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

I have a highway 98 near me. My car reads it as a speed limit.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

#438

That is a good initiative however what ever data is being recorded needs to kept in a responsible and safe manner

It isn't supposed to store any data, just process the real-time feed and output a Boolean signal for whether your eyes are on the road.

Selling it to Flock makes you a criminal who needs to go to prison, but they'll probably find a way around that.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

#439

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BC stopped emission testing 10ish years ago because new cars almost never fail so there wasn't much value continuing the program.

Dunno why these programs never took a sampling approach and data-mined which makes/models/years to target the next year/cycle.

The only way to have affordable, ubiquitous testing stations is to make it universal. At least, in states that do not also require safety inspections. If only 10,000 cars were tested each year, nobody would buy the equipment.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Tell me you live in a civilised country without telling me you live in a civilised country. Over here, in Greece, whenever you try to avoid a pothole, a double-parked car, a cyclist, a pedestrian, a stray, ANYTHING, lane assist always tries its best to make you hit whatever you're trying to avoid.

When I loved in Guam we had a joke bout this: How do you tell if someone is driving drunk? They are driving straight! With the unspoken part being anyone NOT drunk was weaving to dodge debris, potholes, etc.

Same joke in the rust (aka pothole) belt
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