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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by ARandomerDude »

valleyer wrote: post #15
xvxvx wrote: post #10

I was recently in the Uk and one of the cars I was in would alert the driver if he was over the speed limit. Fair enough. But the alert itself is distracting. Are we to review every single alert from these cameras? Is that not just another distraction?

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I've literally had my vehicle alarm and tell me to keep both hands on the steering wheel when I had both hands on for a long time. My biggest concern is where do false alarms take us in the not-too-distant future? Inept sensing -> you can't drive.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by gib444 »

mrtksn wrote: post #132

The headline is wrong. The article and the headline seems to be written in a way to cause outrage by giving the impression that the EU requires cameras which should be recording your face all the time and storing/sending it to authorities or something but what the EU actually requires is "Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System" which may be implemented using cameras and no recording or transmitting is required, i…

I remember the brief period when they told us that the self service checkout weren't recording video. Then they just said oh actually they do now and nobody battered an eye lid

If the tech is put there it's just a matter of time. They can't resist

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by NicuCalcea »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #40
valleyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's very hard to do that when every few seconds some new alarm goes off and some big red flashing warning on the TV screen that's blocking your view of the road comes on.

Perhaps not everyone should be driving? This is not a criticism towards you, I don't have the patience to be behind a wheel, and I know of many drivers that are a danger to themselves and others. If the side effect of this system is that there are fewer people driving because they can't manage the alarms, then that's good enough for me.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by zackify »

aljgz wrote: post #136

New cars are UX nightmares. I'm driving an electric Toyota bz4x. Lovely mechanics, but the general UX (some are because of Android Auto) is terrible. The remote's lock/unlock don't do anything when the car is on. Example: I'm by the trunk and it won't open unless I go back to the driver's door and unlock the doors. App's remote function has too many conditions to do anything. For instance, I'm resting in the back sea…

After seeing kia evs and having a Tesla. Its the only good EV brand because the software from everywhere else is a complete joke.

Kia will tell me my doors are unlocked when I'm at home.

Tesla has a set home feature. Plus the 50 other annoyances.

Regen doesn't even persist with kia. You have to press the paddle to add it every time you start the car.

All this to say, the only good ux car anymore is tesla. Too bad they leak all recordings and have privacy problems too.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by sssilver »

I hate this new world we find ourselves in.

And I triple hate that we've helped develop the technology that powers it.

In hindsight, it was inevitable.

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by altern8 »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Same here.

I drive a 1991 Honda Prelude and I don't think I'll want to drive anything else probably ever.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by AbsurdCensor »

zamadatix wrote: post #103
Schiendelman wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Tesla is quite accurate about whether I'm looking at the road or not. What car specifically had this issue?

That's the trouble with automating cars - being quite accurate is not really that great over 100k miles. On Tesla's specifically I find the "hands on wheel" attention detection a bit iffy.

For FSD, at least in the US they long dropped the hands on the wheel thing, unless the attention monitoring isn't functioning. At least the folks I know that have it, they absolutely love it.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Slow_Hand »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #100
thegrim33 wrote: post #74

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Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety /…

You had a point until > to force people out of cars. All that stuff following is also nonsense. “They” don’t want people out of cars, the companies want that sweet sweet revenue stream from vacuuming up data. That’s all this is

Yeah. Whenever someone starts explaining to me that "they" - meaning some vague and undefined cartel - want you to (blank) I immediately flag their reasoning as suspect until proven otherwise. More often than not it's indicative of a lack of serious critical thought.

Examples include some version of "They want us to act like slaves" or "They want to control our minds".

More often than not the simplest explanation is short-sighted profit motive, or institutional dysfunction, or multiple parties with conflicting motivations with no central agenda. It's far less likely to be a grand coordinated conspiracy.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by epolanski »

prmoustache wrote: post #82
epolanski wrote: post #38

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Both are illegal.

Under which juridiction? I doubt it is in any country of the EU.

You absolutely cannot do it with rented or leased cars e.g.

In general tampering with safety equipment is not legal, enforcement is another thing.

I'm not a fan of people giving poor advice online.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by parl_match »

mort96 wrote: post #124
warp wrote: post #79

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I have a Volkswagen ID3, I love the adaptive cruise control. Yes, it gets it wrong in some spots (signage isn't great here in Asturias, Spain), and it gets it wrong in both directions (too slow at certain locations, too fast in others). But I still appreciate the convenience of not having to keep an eye on the speed nor the distance between the my car and the vehicles in front of me when driving on the freeway, where…

I drive a Nissan Ariya sometimes, which has adaptive cruise control. It's ... okay, but I'm not sure my own car's "dumb" cruise control is any worse to be honest. My own car's cruise control is just three large buttons on the steering wheel: one which says "keep going this speed when I take my foot off the gas", one cancel button, and one "go back to the previous speed" button. It works wonders and is quite comfortab…

The stuff BMW ships is great. The ACC that I tried in a normal Toyota a few years ago was way worse. I'm a huge ACC fan but it really woke me up that I need to evaluate the vendors before I purchase the car.
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