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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by K0balt »

andsoitis wrote: post #574
trhway wrote: post #365

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I think you're mistaking rotating for flapping. Rotation is one of those fundamental things differentiating our technological civilization from Nature.

> Rotation is one of those fundamental things differentiating our technological civilization from Nature. Rotation is very common in nature. Planetary rotation, inner-core rotation, spinning galaxies, dung beetle rolling, Keratinocyte migration, Rotifers, spirals, rotational symmetry, etc. What isn’t common (but not non-existent) is using rotation for locomotion in biology.

Huge swaths of microbes use electrostatic rotary motors driving screw type propellers, so if not say it’s that uncommon.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by dom96 »

ETH_start wrote: post #746
dom96 wrote: post #521

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So your response is “it was worse in the past”? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Either you’re a “free speech absolutist” or you’re just a lying charlatan. Elon is clearly the latter, the evidence is right in front of your eyes and you choose to make excuses. ElonJet is posting publicly available information and isn’t banned on other platforms. Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech.

Yes, it was much worse in the past. People are only being banned for impersonation and live geotracking. In the previous Twitter, you were banned, shadow-banned, de-amplified, etc, if you expressed views that the political left disagreed with. You want to justify and downplay the latter my presenting Musk as equally villainous. It's disingenuous mental gymnastics to advance your censorious and authoritarian agenda. G…

Let’s say you’re right. There is only one side claiming they are “free speech absolutists”. There is only one side demonstrably lying to you. It’s Elon Musk. You’re being duped by a billionaire and you’re too blind to see it.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by trhway »

meow_catrix wrote: post #759
trhway wrote: post #365

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I think you're mistaking rotating for flapping. Rotation is one of those fundamental things differentiating our technological civilization from Nature.

Those rotating things still produce their thrust by pushing a wing-shaped structure through air, producing a high-pressure zone on one side, and a low-pressure zone on another. That is what I was getting at. It is the same principle.

No, it is different. A prop or fan blade is inmovably attached to the shaft and pushed through the air the same way like the plane's wing, and the blade isn't flapped like the bird's wing.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by toomuchtodo »

torginus wrote: post #323
toomuchtodo wrote: post #154

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Tesla market cap is based on AI/robotaxi/FSD. Without that, they’re just playing catchup to BYD (who quietly, yet aggressively, executes at scale; they offer EVs today between $10k-$20k and already employ more workers than Toyota [for scale]). https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/03/cars/china-tesla-byd-competit... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/03/chinas-byd-is-set-to-beat-te... https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/be…

This is a bit of an aside, but why does everyone assume, if not for the sanctions, BYD would eat Western manufacturers alive? I for one, don't like to engage in anti-China hysteria, but having had experience with Chinese products, their quality and reliablity is a hit and miss. How would you know, that they didn't cheap out on caps in inverters, and they won't break down after a decade/200k km? Also their cars are bu…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41842394 ("HN: China's Top Carmaker BYD Dominates Foreign Rivals with $14k Plug-In Hybrid")

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41841960 ("HN: VW, BMW and Mercedes Are Getting Left in the Dust by China's EVs")

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by ETH_start »

dom96 wrote: post #782
ETH_start wrote: post #746

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Yes, it was much worse in the past. People are only being banned for impersonation and live geotracking. In the previous Twitter, you were banned, shadow-banned, de-amplified, etc, if you expressed views that the political left disagreed with. You want to justify and downplay the latter my presenting Musk as equally villainous. It's disingenuous mental gymnastics to advance your censorious and authoritarian agenda. G…

Let’s say you’re right. There is only one side claiming they are “free speech absolutists”. There is only one side demonstrably lying to you. It’s Elon Musk. You’re being duped by a billionaire and you’re too blind to see it.

I'd much rather X under Musk while he doesn't live up to his free speech absolutist claims than X under the establishment, where you must use left-wing gender pronoun conventions or be banned.

You're okay with the previous authoritarianism that was imposed that's why you'd prefer a return to the previous setup. If you believed in political neutrality and Free Speech, you would be hardly annoyed by Musk not being as committee to Free Speech as he claims, while he reverses what had been an overwhelming censorship program.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by iknowstuff »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #750
threeseed wrote: post #448

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There is no reliable FSD implementation on any car right now so it's kind of an irrelevant question. The more relevant one is what will happen first. Tesla figuring out how to make vision only work on their existing hardware. Or the price of LiDAR coming down.

I’ve ridden Waymo in SF and it has gone great. The cost was cheaper than the cheapest Lyft/Uber, but in a much nicer vehicle. I felt 100% safe the whole time, which is better than I can say about humans who get paid more if they drive faster. My only complaint is cases like where it “wasted” a few minutes because it didn’t want to do an illegal U-turn during the pickup (any human driver would have done it). The word…

FYI Waymo is typically ~30% more expensive than Lyft/Uber in SF.

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

tsimionescu wrote: post #88
mgiannopoulos wrote: post #85

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Uber drivers already drive Teslas with FSD. Today.

The promise was that you'd buy a Model 3 to use as your personal car, and then run it as a robotaxi while you're at work, and the taxi money would pay you back for the car within a year. FSD is nowhere near up to that task, neither technically nor legally. And the new info from this presentation is that it is, of course, never going to be: this was an indirect admission that the Model 3 was sold with fraudulent adver…

On the event they announced they will start Unsupervised FSD in California and Texas with Models 3 and Y in 2025

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by enragedcacti »

quonn wrote: post #778
enragedcacti wrote: post #591

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> The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot. Just a straight up lie. The manual states: > The person in the driver's seat when DRIVE PILOT is activated is designated as the fallback-ready user and should be ready to take over control of the vehicle. > As soon as the driver steers, accelerates or brakes, the responsibility for driving and safe operation of the vehicle, incl…

On other words, the product can just return control to the user at the moment when there is a problem, so they don‘t take responsibility.

IDK how you got that from what I quoted other than just wishcasting it to be the case. There is a 10 second handover window after which the car goes into an emergency stop procedure if the user hasn't taken control.
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