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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by enragedcacti »

flutas wrote: post #546
oblio wrote: post #525

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Mercedes, unlike every other automaker, including Tesla, *takes over legal liability* in those circumstances. They're putting their money where Musk's mouth is. And next year it will go up to 85kmph, close to highway speeds.

No they aren't. If you look at their wording, they are saying they are ready to defend themselves and their software, not that they will protect anyone from a lawsuit. The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot.

> The owners manual even explicitly states you are always the operator under drive pilot.

Just a straight up lie. The manual states:

> The person in the driver's seat when DRIVE PILOT is activated is designated as the fallback-ready user and should be ready to take over control of the vehicle.

> As soon as the driver steers, accelerates or brakes, the responsibility for driving and safe operation of the vehicle, including compliance with traffic regulations, will be returned to the driver.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by jcranmer »

andsoitis wrote: post #565
dom96 wrote: post #521

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So your response is “it was worse in the past”? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Either you’re a “free speech absolutist” or you’re just a lying charlatan. Elon is clearly the latter, the evidence is right in front of your eyes and you choose to make excuses. ElonJet is posting publicly available information and isn’t banned on other platforms. Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech.

> Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech. Placing a warning is generally not considered a restriction on free speech but rather a tool to inform or protect audiences. In contrast, restricting free speech involves preventing someone from expressing their views or censoring content outright. Warnings are typically seen as a way to balance free expression with the responsibility to inform audi…

> In contrast, restricting free speech involves preventing someone from expressing their views or censoring content outright.

You mean like suing people for saying true things, and encouraging the government to criminally investigate for people for saying the same? Because that is exactly what Musk has done in the past year.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by emptyfile »

momento wrote: post #75

They are going face major regulatory hurdles. Safety concerns are huge—both real and perceived—and governments, especially in places like the US and Europe, are still far from trusting fully autonomous vehicles. Add in fragmented regulations across different states and countries, plus potential public skepticism, and it's clear this won't be in place any time soon. Labor opposition is also going to be a nightmare. Ju…

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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by andsoitis »

jcranmer wrote: post #592
andsoitis wrote: post #565

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> Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech. Placing a warning is generally not considered a restriction on free speech but rather a tool to inform or protect audiences. In contrast, restricting free speech involves preventing someone from expressing their views or censoring content outright. Warnings are typically seen as a way to balance free expression with the responsibility to inform audi…

> In contrast, restricting free speech involves preventing someone from expressing their views or censoring content outright. You mean like suing people for saying true things, and encouraging the government to criminally investigate for people for saying the same? Because that is exactly what Musk has done in the past year.

I’m not saying anything about Musk.

I’m simply saying that it is false to claim that attaching a warning to something is restricting free speech.

Two good examples are the government warning on tobacco product or cancer-causing warnings in public spaces.

These are warnings and do not constitute restriction of free speech.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by lesuorac »

rchaud wrote: post #582
narrator wrote: post #393

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Reading any HN thread connected to Musk is so annoying because all the political obsessives come out and crapflood the thread with rants about "manbabies."

Imagine what it was like just a couple of years ago when these threads would be flooded with "he's trying to save the world, what have you done?" type comments.

It'd be like criticizing Rudy Giuliani in 2002.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by sshine »

pelorat wrote: post #537
valianteffort wrote: post #505

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There are countless videos on youtube of people recording their experience with FSD's open beta. It is probably 90% of the way there, if not more. Anyone who thinks Tesla won't get there first is peak delusional. Hate on Elon as much as you want, but Tesla are top-tier engineering. Real funny seeing a bunch of web devs on HN talk shit about Tesla's engineers too lmao

That 90% is about as good as a teenager taking his first practice drive with a parent (meaning an extreme road hazard).

> about as good as a teenager

a suicidal teenager

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by two_handfuls »

Yoric wrote: post #370
modeless wrote: post #298

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There are more than enough on the road already to know exactly how safe they are. FSD has already driven a billion miles. Once it is good enough they will have the statistics to prove it.

It's interesting, because FSD has probably driven a billion miles, but I couldn't find any useful statistics yet. So... I think it's a bit early to start believing the hype :)

Closest we have is this: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by [deleted] »

valianteffort wrote: post #505
benterix wrote: post #485

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> They had 2 dozen vehicles with no steering wheels taking attendees around the venue. To quote a participant[0]: > After over 10 years of Full Self-Driving development, @Tesla is limited to a 20-30 acre geofenced 5mph ride on a preprogrammed, premapped and heavily rehearsed route with no traffic and no pedestrians. [0] https://x.com/realdanodowd/status/1844605093368512799

There are countless videos on youtube of people recording their experience with FSD's open beta. It is probably 90% of the way there, if not more. Anyone who thinks Tesla won't get there first is peak delusional. Hate on Elon as much as you want, but Tesla are top-tier engineering. Real funny seeing a bunch of web devs on HN talk shit about Tesla's engineers too lmao

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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by crustaceansoup »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #214
crustaceansoup wrote: post #109

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Waymo doesn't require a driver to supervise the car, they're supposedly running Level 4 cars. FSD requires continual supervision, you must be responsible and attentive at all times. How is this a reasonable comparison?

You say this as if there isn't an army of teleoperators behind the scenes ready to remotely take over a Waymo at a moment's notice... It was also announced today that unsupervised FSD is coming to Texas and California in 2025.

There's a big difference between "someone at central command can take over when the car signals" and "someone must watch the car constantly and take over when they see it do anything bad".

The disengagement events on recent videos of FSD are still the likes of "oops it almost turned into oncoming traffic" or "oops it almost ran into a pole", that's the sort of thing you have to catch before it happens, not after.

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