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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by dom96 »

ETH_start wrote: post #504
dom96 wrote: post #478

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You’re a fool tricked by another fool who shouts loudly that they support free speech while they ban speech left and right. For goodness sake, ElonJet was banned and you can’t even say the word “cisgender” on the platform. How delusional are you?

ElonJet was a live geotracking site for private jets. You can post cisgender, it just comes with a warning. Before, people were being banned for using "him" instead of "her" to describe biological males who self-identified as women. People were secretly de-amplified for criticizing the government policy of lockdowns. It was censorship on a whole different magnitude.

So your response is “it was worse in the past”?

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Either you’re a “free speech absolutist” or you’re just a lying charlatan. Elon is clearly the latter, the evidence is right in front of your eyes and you choose to make excuses.

ElonJet is posting publicly available information and isn’t banned on other platforms. Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by tliltocatl »

valianteffort wrote: post #505
benterix wrote: post #485

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> They had 2 dozen vehicles with no steering wheels taking attendees around the venue. To quote a participant[0]: > After over 10 years of Full Self-Driving development, @Tesla is limited to a 20-30 acre geofenced 5mph ride on a preprogrammed, premapped and heavily rehearsed route with no traffic and no pedestrians. [0] https://x.com/realdanodowd/status/1844605093368512799

There are countless videos on youtube of people recording their experience with FSD's open beta. It is probably 90% of the way there, if not more. Anyone who thinks Tesla won't get there first is peak delusional. Hate on Elon as much as you want, but Tesla are top-tier engineering. Real funny seeing a bunch of web devs on HN talk shit about Tesla's engineers too lmao

There are 90% and then there are 90% more.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by ktosobcy »

thefourthchime wrote: post #212
toomuchtodo wrote: post #154

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Tesla market cap is based on AI/robotaxi/FSD. Without that, they’re just playing catchup to BYD (who quietly, yet aggressively, executes at scale; they offer EVs today between $10k-$20k and already employ more workers than Toyota [for scale]). https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/03/cars/china-tesla-byd-competit... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/03/chinas-byd-is-set-to-beat-te... https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/be…

I think you're ignoring the fact that Chinese manufacturers are heavily tariffed in the west

You are ignoring the fact that the world doesn't end with the USA (and EU)... Even in LatAm (which is "west") there is abundance of Chinese cars... In Africa it's probably even more visible...

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Post by noch »

panick21_ wrote: post #513
porbelm wrote: post #472

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Same old nonsense story. > What he has done is throw money at people who can. Funny then that countless other space and car startups had far more money and were far less successful. And many of those were far less micromanaged. BlueOrigin for example literally got 100x as much money from its owner as SpaceX did. > But now he has started micromanaging things because he believes he knows best. This is just factually in…

> Same old nonsense story.

Most of the passionate (embittered? salty? flavourless?) critiques of Elon always sound like a confession: His critics can't explain why he is successful, why his companies are successful, nor why he is wealthy. When they attempt an explanation, it's less an explanation and more a dismissal: luck, other people, teams, theft, subsidies, corruption, "the system is broken!", a technoaccelerationist cabal secretly pulling the levers of power.

But, fundamentally, the question whose answer eludes the majority of humans especially Elon's critics is: Why am I not as wealthy and relevant as Elon yet I'm obviously smarter and more ethical than he is? (Their implicit answer is that "life is unfair and doesn't reward the best people.")

Because if any of his critics actually had a meaningful critique that corresponds to reality, they would simply build better products and companies, become billionaires themselves and exemplify rather than pontificate about a better mode of billionaire behaviour and grandeur of vision.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by oblio »

wilg wrote: post #410
oblio wrote: post #397

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https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_a...

? this demonstrates the limitations of drive pilot. and its describe a feature that is not out until 2025. current limitations are 40mph on a straight line highway, no lane changes, navigation, etc

Mercedes, unlike every other automaker, including Tesla, *takes over legal liability* in those circumstances.

They're putting their money where Musk's mouth is.

And next year it will go up to 85kmph, close to highway speeds.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by oblio »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #484
oblio wrote: post #402

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> Are normal taxis any different? Most of them only have one or two passengers. Typically in the backseat which gets kind of crowded with more people. You can get bigger taxis of course. But I'm talking about the common sedan model with the driver in the front. An unused front seat on the right. And the one or two passengers in the back. Exactly the same thing. Except there's no need for the driver. We need to invest…

I don't think what you outline here, which I agree would be a good thing, and what Tesla announced are mutually exclusive. In fact, I think Tesla's announcement is just about the most concrete thing from any car manufacturer that gets us closer to that. Getting rid of drivers means less space for parking is needed. It also means better utilization of the vehicles. So, less cars on the road. And they'll be electric so…

Cars are inherently space inefficient. Self driving won't save them. We're talking about 10-15 sqm directly occupied on the road plus probably 100 more sqm for safe braking, etc.

This new tool should be at best a niche one, but convenience, as usual, kills.

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Post by actionfromafar »

mlindner wrote: post #415
gniv wrote: post #377

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Think of pile-ups. No matter how good a driver you are there are situations where you cannot prevent crashing. But lidar can.

Pray tell how a Lidar prevents crashing in this situation?

Accurately determine distance to objects in almost no time. While a human has 1 second reaction time. There will be situations a fast reaction time alone can save.

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Post by Zanfa »

redwood wrote: post #369
Zanfa wrote: post #269

Given current Tesla FSD drives like a drunk teenager even in good conditions, I don't see how this is anything but a scam. It's the perpetual "Teslas will be able to fully self-drive in 2 years".

Not my experience driving FSD in silicon valley. I was floored

I obviously don't know your personal experience, but with the amount of videos from Tesla owners showcasing FSD turning into oncoming traffic, trying to clip parked cars, blazing through stop signs without even slowing down and taking roundabouts the wrong way around in 30 minutes and then finishing the video by concluding that FSD did well is insane.

Just the amount of scary FSD footage from Cybertrucks alone that only got FSD a few weeks ago is massive.

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Post by bravetraveler »

forgot-im-old wrote: post #473
mrich wrote: post #444

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Tesla at a forward P/E of 80 is massively overvalued as a car company. You can get Mercedes or BMW at a P/E of 6, with a 9% yield. Sure, the EV market is still growing, but Tesla is not the only player. All brands now have EVs, there are both cheaper and more luxurious Chinese EVs, that's some massive competition. The only reasons Tesla could be valued differently are FSD and Robotics, which Musk and Tesla-friendly a…

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Anyone with eyes can see him cozying up to public funding/Uncle Sam

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by MrMan »

disillusioned wrote: post #486
jakeogh wrote: post #403

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Good. They don't work, and they wont work. We are a decade into the hype cycle on 'cars that have self' and the proponents are stuck pretending that their best case demo, which is always going to crash into stupid stuff that a human would easily understand (in it's highly tested and constrained route) has 'self' to preserve.

This is a reductive and far-too-pessimistic take when Waymo is completing more than 14,000 driverless trips per DAY and has completed over 15 million miles of driverless trips. That's not a "best case demo": it's a real system, working in real world environments, and even if they're "constrained" (and go ahead and look at the Phoenix service area and tell me how constrained it really is), they are functioning, now, t…

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