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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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With regards to "can this ever actually be done?" I think it can*, but also it's got all the problems of both a software project and fundamental research: the difficulty is unknown, the timeline is a wild guess.

That said, no steering wheel? Finally, he's met my long-standing requirement for what counts as "genuinely self driving".

* humans don't need lidar — we clearly benefit from all the extra sensors or we wouldn't even have rear view mirrors let alone parking sensors, but technically it's believable.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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You know what screams "democratizate transportation"? 99% single occupancy vehicles (well, that's democratic, I'll grant them that) controlled by a corporation known for a million abuses and basically no oversight, everything managed by faceless software. Let me tell you an Uber story. I've been an Uber customer across multiple countries for many years, and one day, I had a layover in London. So I tried to book an Ub…

Are normal taxis any different? Most of them only have one or two passengers. Typically in the backseat which gets kind of crowded with more people. You can get bigger taxis of course. But I'm talking about the common sedan model with the driver in the front. An unused front seat on the right. And the one or two passengers in the back. Exactly the same thing. Except there's no need for the driver. I don't get the mor…

> Are normal taxis any different? Most of them only have one or two passengers. Typically in the backseat which gets kind of crowded with more people. You can get bigger taxis of course. But I'm talking about the common sedan model with the driver in the front. An unused front seat on the right. And the one or two passengers in the back. Exactly the same thing. Except there's no need for the driver.

We need to invest in walkable, bikeable cities and public transportation, not help these companies that lobby for making less liveable cities and towns. That was my main point for that angle. I know Americans hate each other and public transportation, but everything has a trade off and Robotaxis won't make our lives better.

> I don't get the moral outrage here. It's taxi with one person less (the driver). Also available as a model 3 and y. And the robovan thing. So they do actually cover a range of vehicles with different amounts of passengers.

How often to riders get banned from taxi companies? The Robotaxi looks like a service, ride hailing. Are these vehicles actually sold?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

Good. They don't work, and they wont work. We are a decade into the hype cycle on 'cars that have self' and the proponents are stuck pretending that their best case demo, which is always going to crash into stupid stuff that a human would easily understand (in it's highly tested and constrained route) has 'self' to preserve.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Tesla Cybertruck was announced as vapourware in 2019 and got limited production only in 2023. It was also delayed. Wonder whether it would have been also considered "bait and switch setup" according to your stance.

Wasn't it also released at a significantly higher price than announced? """In 2019, Musk claimed that the Cybertruck would be available in late 2021, starting at $39,900. The date was later pushed to 2022, and eventually it was pushed to late 2023, with a starting price of $60,990.""" - according to the Wikipedia page. I'd definitely count that as bait and switch from the price change alone.

Ah right, the price should have remained the same despite the highest worldwide monetary inflation rates in the last 40 years.

I can't imagine why would a company want to sell a product at a profit.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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And that warrants low-effort snark and jokes polluting these threads? There are still good discussions here, but they get muddled by all this nonsense.

What did you see that you feel is being under-discussed?

It's not that something is under-discussed. The problem is the noise. Apparently, I'm in the minority for disliking shallow Reddit-style snark, since it's getting upvoted while people complaining about it are getting downvoted and flagged.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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It is interesting that you are confident in that matter. But you have been playing with it for a long time. Someone like myself with zero experience with it am very skeptical about how much I can trust it. We have seen several accidents over the years in the news. How do we convince the masses that this car is safe and this car will not suddenly drive off the road? I do think self driving cars are as a whole a lot sa…

There are more than enough on the road already to know exactly how safe they are. FSD has already driven a billion miles. Once it is good enough they will have the statistics to prove it.

Tesla has, as far as I can tell looking through the reports, done not a single mile or kilometer under the Californian DMV Autonomous Vehicle Tester (AVT) Program[0]. Nor have they partaken in any other program of this kind that would enforce public reporting or any measure of transparency. There is no public data to gauge safety or reliability as of yet.

[0] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Anybody know why the autonomous taxi isn't just a model 3? I don't see the point in a purpose built two seater with no steering wheel or pedals and I don't know why regulators would approve an autonomous car with no way to manually override it.

BTW, Google tried this too (building a small 2-seater w/o controls). What happened to that project?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCezICQNgJU

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Humans don’t use lidar, which clearly shows that a vision-only robotaxi is very much feasible.

I can't tell if this is satire, or if replicating 6 million years of evolution has legitimately become handwave material for Elon's supporters...

They are afraid, times of crisis - especially planetary one, have the weaker minded and scared ones always rally around figureheads. Some guy in operetta uniforms, exclaiming "Im the captain, give me all your cash" brandishing a detached steering wheel is what the passengers want to see. Reality be a lovecraftian horror to much to bear.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Wasn't that due to the supreme court deciding it wasn't up to the federal government?

Who nominates the justices to the US Supreme Court?

De jure or de facto?

One of the judges died in Obama's term, and senators explicitly declared they would not consider any nomination he made:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-stolen-suprem...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Ford and Cadillac have Level 2 systems, not Level 3. Tesla also has Level 2, but it is significantly more capable. (I don't think any of the others work on city streets at all, or even change lanes automatically based on navigation.) Mercedes is so limited to just technically qualify for Level 3 that it could be likely be trivially outmatched by some limited FSD conditions if that's the route Tesla wanted to go. But…

https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_a...

? this demonstrates the limitations of drive pilot. and its describe a feature that is not out until 2025. current limitations are 40mph on a straight line highway, no lane changes, navigation, etc
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