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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by enragedcacti »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #261
bagels wrote: post #177

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No, he said it would fly, he really did. Edit: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1005577738332172289 SpaceX option package for new Tesla Roadster will include ~10 small rocket thrusters arranged seamlessly around car. These rocket engines dramatically improve acceleration, top speed, braking & cornering. Maybe they will even allow a Tesla to fly … "Not saying the next gen Roadster special upgrade package will definitely…

He didn't say "it would fly". He said, from your own link, "Maybe they will even allow a Tesla to fly …".

"The new Tesla Roadster can fly"

https://electrek.co/2024/06/15/elon-musk-tesla-always-coming...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by specialist »

rapsey wrote: post #225
Animats wrote: post #188

It's amusing that this was at the Warner back lot, which is out in Burbank. Not Paramount or Universal, which are both in Hollywood. It would have been embarrassing to do this at Paramount or Universal, because those are in Waymo's service area. People would have arrived at the event in real self driving taxis.

Waymos however need thousands of dollars of hardware to achieve this and only work in limited areas. Tesla's bet is a lot more risky but also with a lot more potential.

Tesla's autobots are free?

Waymo & Hyundai announced a partnership. IIRC Waymo has always intended to work with OEMs, vs make their own vehicles.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/4156375-hyundai-motor-joins-fo...

Having no opinions about the IONIQ 5, I've gleaned that it's well regarded. Maybe not a Model Y, but close enough.

Of all the legacy OEMs, Hyundai has a fair chance of surviving the Tesla (& BYD) juggernaut. So I think Waymo chose wisely.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by bellgrove »

valianteffort wrote: post #505
benterix wrote: post #485

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> They had 2 dozen vehicles with no steering wheels taking attendees around the venue. To quote a participant[0]: > After over 10 years of Full Self-Driving development, @Tesla is limited to a 20-30 acre geofenced 5mph ride on a preprogrammed, premapped and heavily rehearsed route with no traffic and no pedestrians. [0] https://x.com/realdanodowd/status/1844605093368512799

There are countless videos on youtube of people recording their experience with FSD's open beta. It is probably 90% of the way there, if not more. Anyone who thinks Tesla won't get there first is peak delusional. Hate on Elon as much as you want, but Tesla are top-tier engineering. Real funny seeing a bunch of web devs on HN talk shit about Tesla's engineers too lmao

I feel like there’s some software adage about the last 10% being the hardest. It certainly holds true from my experience - even if they are 90% of the way there, it’s not a linear path to 100%.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by andsoitis »

trhway wrote: post #365
meow_catrix wrote: post #362

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Planes do ”flap their wings”, just not the ones protruding from the fuselage.

I think you're mistaking rotating for flapping. Rotation is one of those fundamental things differentiating our technological civilization from Nature.

> Rotation is one of those fundamental things differentiating our technological civilization from Nature.

Rotation is very common in nature.

Planetary rotation, inner-core rotation, spinning galaxies, dung beetle rolling, Keratinocyte migration, Rotifers, spirals, rotational symmetry, etc.

What isn’t common (but not non-existent) is using rotation for locomotion in biology.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by rsynnott »

sandspar wrote: post #119
mplewis wrote: post #115

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Because all the work of allegedly building a new vehicle platform is a better excuse for making no profit on the robotaxi initiative for the next ten years.

What's the deal with cynical, low effort comments like this that add nothing to the discussion? There's obviously more to the story than what you're saying. HackerNews is supposed to be for discussion, not Reddit-tier snark. Comments like yours are just visual pollution.

I mean, you've got to look at the context. This isn't happening in a vacuum; they've been promising this any minute now for the last eight years. At a certain point, the benefit of the doubt becomes strained, and every ostensible delay starts to look like a delaying tactic.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by ryandvm »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #547
wg0 wrote: post #416

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Elon has almost no credibility left for what he says. It's basically just a website at the moment with bunch of 3D renders which you too could get done from a web shop. Tesla has nothing new to offer and competition is catching up, EV adoption slowing down and such. If I had, I would gradually drop Tesla stock because it's going to go downhill if not rock bottom from here.

US competition with Tesla isn’t even close and the only way anyone has able to get a functional charging network up and running was to piggyback off of Tesla. I know the Trump stuff is annoying, but there’s way too much criticism of Tesla out there that is our political emotion.

Trump is Tesla's only hope.

Elon knows Trump is a transactional person and as long as he supports Trump, he can get the necessary governmental treatment his companies need to survive (tax credits, Chinese EV tariffs, some sort of asinine Mars mission).

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by enragedcacti »

porphyra wrote: post #62
karlgkk wrote: post #47

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A single person's evidence isn't helpful. People doing testing at scale of Tesla's solution (even the latest version), have found a few interventions happen an hour (or at least per day), especially on busy streets or in situations where weather isn't complimentary. It cannot be truly an autonomous robotaxi without VERY HIGH reliability. One intervention per hour is one too many.

Cruise had driverless robotaxis on the streets while they had 2.5 to 5 miles per intervention. [1] I think FSD 12.5 is way beyond that --- I drove over 20 miles yesterday with zero interventions. Also, having ridden Waymo in San Francisco many times, I find that the FSD is actually slightly smoother and handles stuff like going around obstacles and blockages more naturally, although, as you are no doubt aware, there…

Not to defend Cruise too much, but the 2.5 to 5 miles stat is misleading in that they aren't real time disengagements. They are instances where the vehicle proactively identified a situation where it wasn't confident enough to proceed and then safely stopped while awaiting a response. This is obviously way too often in terms being a courteous and legal road user but its completely different from a driver taking over as the vehicle attempts an unsafe maneuver.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

Ukv wrote: post #490
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #449

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Humans don't act based on visual patterns alone though. We act based on our understanding of the world as a whole, including the intentions of other humans. For instance, when we see a ball rolling onto the street, we know that there is probably a young person nearby who wants that ball back. We don't have to be trained on the visual patterns of what might happen next. Of course AI can be trained on the visuals of hi…

> the number of things that can potentially happen is far greater than the number of training examples we could ever produce Models don't need to have been trained on every single possibility - it's possible for them to generalize and interpolate/extrapolate. But, even knowing that it's theoretically possible to drive at human-level with only the senses humans have, it does seem like it makes it unnecessarily difficu…

>Models don't need to have been trained on every single possibility - it's possible for them to generalize and interpolate/extrapolate.

They do have some in-distribution generalisation capabilities, but human intentions are not a generalisation of visual information.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by specialist »

piyuv wrote: post #531
oblio wrote: post #382

You know what screams "democratizate transportation"? 99% single occupancy vehicles (well, that's democratic, I'll grant them that) controlled by a corporation known for a million abuses and basically no oversight, everything managed by faceless software. Let me tell you an Uber story. I've been an Uber customer across multiple countries for many years, and one day, I had a layover in London. So I tried to book an Ub…

From https://www.asomo.co/p/the-luddites-guide-to-defending-physi... : > As a thought experiment, imagine if all forms of transport except Uber were removed from our society, resulting in total ‘Uberfication’. What would happen in this ‘convenient’ society? > For a start, you’d notice that your entire ability to move depended on an institution. While the first few weeks of trips might not bug you, over time it would…

Yes and:

That essay is a good start. Agree with all.

However, it uses the frames (starting assumptions) of neoliberalism (markets solve everything) and public choice theory (solve politics with just so stories). Versus say humanism, dignity, sovereignty, and right to self-determination.

What about fair and impartial adjudication of disputes, determining tort, and dispensing justice? These Big Bad vs Consumer framings don't (adequately) say what to do about inherit power imbalances.

Who are the referees?

When our government's "monopoly over violence" is usurped by corporations, acting as police-judge-jury-executioner, disenfranchising actual people, we're all just wage slaves, paid with company scrip, struggling to get our basic needs met.

Road to Serfdom indeed.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by andsoitis »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #553
bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #268

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What useful product did Enron ever build?

> What useful product did Enron ever build?

Electronic trading platform

Enron Online, launched in 1999, allowed buyers and sellers to trade energy-related commodities like natural gas, electricity, and broadband capacity.

Gas Bank

Enron's Gas Bank stabilized prices, making natural gas more attractive to investors and helping lenders finance new gas generators.

Financial markets

Enron created financial markets for assets that were never previously traded on exchanges, such as natural gas, coal, and internet connections.

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