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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by iwontberude »

whimsicalism wrote: post #181
reedf1 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think that you are implicitly stating your want to live by the fact you are alive. Also - would all that really move the needle? Surely the only way is 24/7 surveillance. Even then I'm sure there are remote methods of execution that seem natural...

so all suicides are murders?

I think they are stating that unless explicit proof leads you to conclude it could have only been suicide, you should implicitly expect it to be murder.

I’m not sure that is correct either.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by rcxdude »

georgespencer wrote: post #70
windowshopping wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did say "appears," but this is some Epstein levels of "coincidence." I'm not really a conspiracy-theory type, but I mean c'mon. Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself? Makes me think of this little stand-up comedy snippet. https://www.reddit.com/r/StandUpComedy/comments/14rcr7n/cons... "I understand not believing in most conspiracy theories, but NONE? You really think the government's batting 100? They ain…

If you believe Epstein was murdered you are in a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of very gullible or very simple minded people. Upon a cursory review of both the facts of the matter and the very best arguments conspiracists can copy and paste, it is self-evident that he killed himself.

It's not a tiny minority, alas. It's pretty popular theory (doesn't make it any more correct, of course).

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by bitcharmer »

whimsicalism wrote: post #156
johnohara wrote: post #118

These kinds of things happen and the waters immediately get murky. Even those closest to the person in question are never really 100% sure. Reminds me of the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#... Richard Clarke's assessment seemed to carry the weight of truth. But only to a point. Just enough to engage the suspicions of family and friends, but no…

In my view, almost all of these are accidents or suicides and people watch way too many hollywood films. The Hastings thing is classic mania for those of us who know people who have experienced that.

The man warned he's not going to commit suicide in case something happens to him and your immediate conclusion is that it was suicide. Interesting line of logic, I have to admit.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by whimsicalism »

bamboozled wrote: post #269
whimsicalism wrote: post #117

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To me it still seems more likely than not that these people committed suucide, especially Swartz.

Epstein, no way. He had dirt on almost everyone.

he was also facing a life sentence in federal prison

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by sfn42 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #272
sfn42 wrote: post #260

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No you still don't seem to get the point. I'm saying the *absence* of gunpowder residue means something, I'm not saying the presence of it means anything.

withinboredom seems to be making the similar but tangential point that, in the same way that absence of gunpowder is evidence [of something] while presence of gunpowder isn't evidence of anything, it's possible to demonstrate that a death was not by suicide, but it isn't possible to demonstrate that a death was by suicide. Same idea, but reversing "which part of the sentence is the variable".

I understand what they're saying, I just don't know why they keep explaining it when its irrelevant to what I'm saying.

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Post by smegger001 »

lukan wrote: post #191
dullcrisp wrote: post #182

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I do wonder what happened there. CEO texts the chief communications officer that someone posting online needs to be taken down, chief communication officer takes that literally and relays the order to the head of security?

Well, how do you take down some blog, if there is no legal base for it, because all the content was obvious legal? If there would have been a legal angle, they would have send out lawyers letters instead. That was apparently not an option, so crime was the only way to go. And that no one at the top gets prosecuted for this, is quite disappointing.

File fake DMCA claim with the hosting company, drop of if challenged, file and cease and desist with the ISP threatening vaguely and claim it has slanderous/lible and your willing to sue and they will often take it down, buy a few bitcoin run them through a tumbler to anonymize them and pay a bot farm to ddos the site until your host drops you to make it go away.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by orwin »

karambahh wrote: post #251
orwin wrote: post #213

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It's tongue in cheek, we kill in many different ways. Drowning related however, the most known is this one (even got a wiki page, so it's really well known!) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boulin But Choukri Ghanem also managed to drown himself in Vienna. A related death was Albichari, a 37 yo dying of diabetes, and 6 years later, Bechir Saleh assassination attempt by a commando (with his bodyguard crew saving him),…

Small nitpick, if (which is very likely to me but unfortunately hasn't been proven) Robert Boulin has been murdered, it's definitely not by the DGSE or it predecessor, as they operate outside of France. If you agree is that it's not a suicide, opinions differ on whether it's government team that did it or the "SAC", a paramilitary group linked to the then ruling party, not an official secret service

True, true, it probably wasn't secret services (interestingly, they were busy preparing an operation against Khadafi in Lybia around that time, that they did not execute according to Pierre Marion, ex DGSE director), and Mitterand wasn't keen on assassinations before 81, so i don't think it was on his orders, weirdly.

But i've read that recently "https://www.amazon.fr/tueurs-R%C3%A9publique-Assassinats-op%..." and now i have to jump in when people talk about political assassination, even though i know almost nothing about the subject, and everything i know is so thin it should be disregarded anyway. As the memory fade, i will stop doing that. Sorry :/

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by easyThrowaway »

geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

Or literally anyone else at the company whose job was at jeopardy because of the revelations.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by berniedurfee »

sfn42 wrote: post #126
vasco wrote: post #98

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You put the gun in their hands after you shoot them, as in every movie ever.

Firing a gun leaves residue on your hands etc. They can tell whether you fired it

I’m guessing that’s a solved problem by now.
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