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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lukan »

dullcrisp wrote: post #182
lukan wrote: post #137

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Never heard of that before. What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements: "Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes."" I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, w…

I do wonder what happened there. CEO texts the chief communications officer that someone posting online needs to be taken down, chief communication officer takes that literally and relays the order to the head of security?

Well, how do you take down some blog, if there is no legal base for it, because all the content was obvious legal?

If there would have been a legal angle, they would have send out lawyers letters instead. That was apparently not an option, so crime was the only way to go. And that no one at the top gets prosecuted for this, is quite disappointing.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hughesjj »

whimsicalism wrote: post #117
bmer wrote: post #84

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One prominent one in recent memory is the Epstein "suicide". Aaron Swartz is another, although not so recent.

To me it still seems more likely than not that these people committed suucide, especially Swartz.

I mean, I think Schwartz committed suicide, but Epstein?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by johnnyanmac »

DonHopkins wrote: post #88
KingOfCoders wrote: post #21

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I worked for an eBay Inc. company as an executive, never thought that could happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal

I could certainly believe Boeing would do something like that before I'd ever imagine eBay would, yet eBay did what they did. The stakes are MUCH higher for Boeing, and we already know quite well that Boeing decided to put many human lives at risk to save money, and that's already resulted in many deaths. And they have a long history of making products designed specifically for killing humans. https://www.boeing.com/…

I could never imagine eBay doing this in 2019. 2 bloggers really got a CEO this hot and bothered? Were they really causing that much of a hit to ebay's sales or rep?

This sounds like one of those early 2000's trolling moments before such commentary conformed into a blob on modern social media. But given the rest of the events of the '20's I shouldn't be that surprised.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by namdnay »

lukan wrote: post #137
KingOfCoders wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for an eBay Inc. company as an executive, never thought that could happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal

Never heard of that before. What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements: "Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes."" I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, w…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lucioperca »

roenxi wrote: post #108
snickerer wrote: post #66

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Because in Russia it is an open message to the public 'don't mess with the KGB or we kill you and maybe your children'. Everybody knows and understands who is the sender and the message. Classic mafia move of intimidation. It is a message to the living. In the Western World the secret services kill to silence people, not to broadcast messages to the public. Quite the opposite PR strategy.

And when powerful people want to show off their power it tends to be less fatal and more drag-through-the-mud style tactics. Like what happened to Julian Assange. Killing him was an option on the table as far as I recall, but it wasn't what they ended up doing. Although that being said, I wouldn't rule this out as being organised by Boeing's management or a major shareholder or something. It is a company in the milit…

Should have given him protection, quite bad for the USA that they cannot let the truth succeed in this case. In the long term there is no cheating about safety possible anyhow.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by [deleted] »

max_ wrote: post #131

Reading the comments here is now making me even more skeptical about society. It really looks like; It is a waste of time to take risk yourself and expose unethical practices conducted by the powerful. Because, A) The masses don't really care (I expected riots and protest). B) You may mysteriously die. C) Your death instead of sparking an outrage will mostly be labeled a "conspiracy theory". Given these three items,…

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hughesjj »

optimalsolver wrote: post #57
windowshopping wrote: post #41

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I did say "appears," but this is some Epstein levels of "coincidence." I'm not really a conspiracy-theory type, but I mean c'mon. Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself? Makes me think of this little stand-up comedy snippet. https://www.reddit.com/r/StandUpComedy/comments/14rcr7n/cons... "I understand not believing in most conspiracy theories, but NONE? You really think the government's batting 100? They ain…

>Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself? Yes. People of high status frequently take their lives when they realize everything's gone down the drain.

On suicide watch, with both guards asleep and the cameras out?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by renewiltord »

hnfong wrote: post #150
gruez wrote: post #132

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> If you dismiss all the evidence "supporting this theory" (your words) then obviously you wouldn't find anything that supports it. Right, and the converse is you accepting any evidence that vaguely conforms to the narrative of "he got killed by boeing", regardless of how shaky it is. >Evidence does not have to be perfect. Even biased evidence should update your priors. There is evidence supporting this theory. It do…

> Right, and the converse is you accepting any evidence that I literally said one must update their priors, not just "accepting" it. Or maybe updating priors is a form of "acceptance", but now you claim it isn't a problem: > You claim that we should update our priors even based on biased evidence, but I never claimed otherwise The comment you replied to just answered your question: "is there anything supporting this…

Watching people with binary-valued probability measures talk to people with multivalued probability will never not be amusing.

The resulting conversations have such fundamental disagreements.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hughesjj »

gruez wrote: post #58
windowshopping wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did say "appears," but this is some Epstein levels of "coincidence." I'm not really a conspiracy-theory type, but I mean c'mon. Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself? Makes me think of this little stand-up comedy snippet. https://www.reddit.com/r/StandUpComedy/comments/14rcr7n/cons... "I understand not believing in most conspiracy theories, but NONE? You really think the government's batting 100? They ain…

>"I understand not believing in most conspiracy theories, but NONE? You really think the government's batting 100? They ain't lying about ANYTHING?" "government lying about something" =/= "my pet conspiracy theory is true" The government was responsible for the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, but that doesn't mean the covid vaccines contains 5g nanobots or whatever.

I hope that, at a minimum, this gets the government to realize/reaffirm how destructive it is to them when they do shit like this

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by [deleted] »

hoffs wrote: post #114
aydyn wrote: post #80

Every single person in the previous thread who ridiculed others for saying that suicide was _not_ the most likely explanation needs a serious re-evaluation of their priors.

Stress and pressure can lead to performing actions that you thought you couldn't do. They don't specify how early this event took place but mentions that deposition was yet to take place. So a lot could have changed after that as there's kind of no turning back.

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