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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by whimsicalism »

reedf1 wrote: post #166
zer00eyz wrote: post #89

Yea... SO if you really feel this way you say this to every reporter you see. You write it down and give it to your lawyer. Your wife. Your kids. You put copies in the safety deposit box. You give notarized copies to every 3rd homeless person you meet. You don't just tell one friend.

I would think that you are implicitly stating your want to live by the fact you are alive. Also - would all that really move the needle? Surely the only way is 24/7 surveillance. Even then I'm sure there are remote methods of execution that seem natural...

so all suicides are murders?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by dullcrisp »

lukan wrote: post #137
KingOfCoders wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for an eBay Inc. company as an executive, never thought that could happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal

Never heard of that before. What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements: "Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes."" I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, w…

I do wonder what happened there. CEO texts the chief communications officer that someone posting online needs to be taken down, chief communication officer takes that literally and relays the order to the head of security?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by publius_0xf3 »

timschmidt wrote: post #115
XorNot wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

> Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. See: Lake City Quiet Pills

LCQP has been conclusively proven to be some random guy inventing a character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHWYTwY0hiw

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hughesjj »

raizer88 wrote: post #104
geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

Boing is so entrenched with defence contractors that any one of them could have killed him to preserve existing contracts to be canned do to some "deep restructuring" due to the trial.

I really wish Boeing defense got spun off, them being under the same leadership is a threat to national security. The infection is only growing as they continue to share leadership.

Could the union elect/nominate new leadership, or are they corrupt these days as well?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by [deleted] »

hello_computer wrote: post #103
silisili wrote: post #4

This happens way too often, and I'm genuinely curious why. The easy answer is that paranoid people with a vendetta say exactly this to throw guilt onto the other party. The hard answer is harder to swallow. What can we do about it?

It is the way of the world. Television, magazines, social media, etc do their best to conceal it, but it is always there in the background. It boils down to power. Boeing can make fighter jets, I can't. This is where the socialists err. "If we just take their money!" They'll make it all back within the year. "If we just had a law!" They'll buy legislators, bribe judges & law enforcement. If that doesn't work, they'll…

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by littlestymaar »

carabiner wrote: post #100
michaelmrose wrote: post #92

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Billions. Its annual profit not revenue is 7.7B a 10% decrease in revenue this decade is worth 7.7B and a 10% decrease in valuation is worth 11B

Yeah a single employee's testimony against an aircraft, the 787, that has safely flying every day since then, does not have that effect. Especially when all of that Barnett testified on years ago. Boeing does not make $7B from the 787. If you want to take someone out, make it a 737 MAX whistleblower.

How could Boeing make sure to limit the amount of whistleblowers on the 737 MAX case? Killing former whistleblowers is a great way to send a message to everyone considering the option right now.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by vidarh »

eggdaft wrote: post #90
XorNot wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

Citation needed for your first statement, certainly doesn’t rhyme true with what I hear in the UK. As for mocking suicide… I think you’d have to talk to a professional about what they do it. Given David Kelly, Epstein, and many other high profile cases, it does seem to be as difficult as you imagine.

The more "interesting" case in the UK was GCHQ analyst seconded to the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS/MI6) who supposedly killed himself by stuffing himself in a bag padlocked from outside, placed in a bathtub, and suffocating himself in a Security Service safe house.

The inquest concluded his death was "unnatural and likely to have been criminally mediated" though with to little evidence to outright state it was an unlawful killing. The police eventually decided he'd likely locked himself in, despite the lack of fingerprints on both the bath and the padlock having made it a rather extraordinary feat for him to get into the bag and lock the padlock.

Which to me goes to show that whether or not you get away with faking a suicide likely has relatively little to do with how well - or plausible - you fake the suicide vs. how well you sufficiently prevent a link to yourself and the power you have to prevent a proper investigation.

At least in the case of David Kelly the circumstances were plausible.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by publius_0xf3 »

silisili wrote: post #46
gruez wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This happens way too often 1. What some other recent occurrences? 2. What's the baseline rate of suicides we should expect for people in high stress positions, like being a whistleblower? How many people could plausibly be categorized as "whistleblowers"?

I knew this would come up, but couldn't think of specifics other than I've seen it go by on social media seemingly yearly. I vividly remember one two or three years ago, of an Asian man I think in NYC who kept videoing the police calling them corrupt, telling the world if he died it was the police. Well, he died. The police said it wasn't the police. Sadly, I can't find this Googling. I'd say it's happened enough to…

The Asian victim you're thinking of is Sunny Sheu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sun-Ming_Sheu

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