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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by XorNot »

anon-sre-srm wrote: post #14

Perhaps: A. Most people dismiss an actual conspiracy to murder a whistleblower witness as a conspiracy theory automatically. Such a cliché seems possible. Remember, Boeing is run by MD dickhead bros who traded in camel fucking magazine covers. B. He wanted additional scrutiny on Boeing, and was willing to die for it. C. Friend is seeking attention. It will require honest and diligent investigation to be sure it was t…

Option 0: people tend to be blindsided when someone in their life suffering from depression kills themselves. This is because if you see it coming, usually you go all out to intervene. It is ridiculously common for people to report that someone who seemed like they enduring mental hardship "was doing better" in the days before their suicide.

I'm finding the immediate "it was an an assassination" rhetoric gross and unproductive here, because what it's dismissing is a very real problem: becoming a whistleblower tends to ruin people's lives between the media scrutiny, the legal scrutiny, the career jeopardy and being in and out of court rooms. Marriages breakdown, and people get depressed or develop substance problems.

"He was assassinated" is just casually ignoring the fact that Boeing can kill this man dead completely legally through the normal shitshow which is the legal wringer whistleblowers get put through.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by michaelmrose »

d--b wrote: post #61

Ok there are conspiracy theories, making claims about things that are unlikely. And then there is the key witness that dies in a parking lot by gunshot wound the day before he is to testify on the case he spent decades building. And then there is his friends who swears that he wouldn’t commit suicide. Call me crazy all you want, but murder is the most probable theory here. The money interests are massive. People kill…

Billions. Its annual profit not revenue is 7.7B a 10% decrease in revenue this decade is worth 7.7B and a 10% decrease in valuation is worth 11B

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by max_ »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

I think you heavily under estimate what normal people motivated by money are capable of doing.

In my friends highschool, some businesses guy was paying highschool kids (16 - 17 ish) to strangle car owners and steal their cars. They were later caught.

Also, watch or read Killers of The Flowers Moon.

The problem with planned murder is that it is all hidden, and the details are fuzzy. So there is alot of reasonable doubt.

But trust me, there is alot do planned killing going on out there.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hulitu »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

> Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_th...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

You are talking about a company that participated in CIA kidnappings. Surely they can find a way.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-sues-boeing-subsidi...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by georgespencer »

saulpw wrote: post #79
georgespencer wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far more likely that he simply changed his mind after making the statement attributed to him than it is Boeing would arrange for him to be murdered five years after the fact.

Not "Boeing" in its official capacity, but it has a lot of executives and shareholders, only one of which needs to have the hubris to think they can get away with it. That seems a lot more likely.

Yes with their stock at a near record low for the decade, now is certainly the time for Boeing's largest shareholders (Vanguard and Blackrock) to take decisive action by inexplicably murdering someone five years too late to make a difference, and who - if left alive - could have potentially been the single most effective means for the shareholders to take revenge on the executives responsible for the company's demise. Jesus christ.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by eggdaft »

snickerer wrote: post #66
ixaxaar wrote: post #12

Oh so in Russia its jumping out a window and in the USA its some random method of suicide? Why not be specific, and consistent, like Russia?

Because in Russia it is an open message to the public 'don't mess with the KGB or we kill you and maybe your children'. Everybody knows and understands who is the sender and the message. Classic mafia move of intimidation. It is a message to the living. In the Western World the secret services kill to silence people, not to broadcast messages to the public. Quite the opposite PR strategy.

I think also in the west you can’t be as blatant. There are checks and balances. Every murder invites journalistic investigation, so plausible deniability is important should things get out of hand.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by vasco »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

You put the gun in their hands after you shoot them, as in every movie ever.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by carabiner »

michaelmrose wrote: post #92
d--b wrote: post #61

Ok there are conspiracy theories, making claims about things that are unlikely. And then there is the key witness that dies in a parking lot by gunshot wound the day before he is to testify on the case he spent decades building. And then there is his friends who swears that he wouldn’t commit suicide. Call me crazy all you want, but murder is the most probable theory here. The money interests are massive. People kill…

Billions. Its annual profit not revenue is 7.7B a 10% decrease in revenue this decade is worth 7.7B and a 10% decrease in valuation is worth 11B

Yeah a single employee's testimony against an aircraft, the 787, that has safely flying every day since then, does not have that effect. Especially when all of that Barnett testified on years ago.

Boeing does not make $7B from the 787.

If you want to take someone out, make it a 737 MAX whistleblower.

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