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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by windowshopping »

gruez wrote: post #37
windowshopping wrote: post #29

This is kind of mind-blowing to me. First case in my lifetime where a US corporation appears to have murdered someone for political reasons. Has this happened before? I assume it has but it's very rare.

>First case in my lifetime where a US corporation appears to have murdered someone for political reasons Is there anything supporting this theory other than the fact the death benefits Boeing?

I did say "appears," but this is some Epstein levels of "coincidence." I'm not really a conspiracy-theory type, but I mean c'mon. Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself?

Makes me think of this little stand-up comedy snippet. https://www.reddit.com/r/StandUpComedy/comments/14rcr7n/cons...

"I understand not believing in most conspiracy theories, but NONE? You really think the government's batting 100? They ain't lying about ANYTHING?"

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by Gumbledore »

defrost wrote: post #34
gruez wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the authorities do know and it's simply not published/released? After all, assuming he shot himself and the gun is right there, it seems fairly reasonable to tentatively presume it's self inflicted.

Assuming he shot himself, yes, it would generally follow that it's self inflicted. I'm unable to think of anyway in which someone can shoot themselves and not have it described as "self inflicted", even an accidental self shooting would be described by some in either form. However , in general, with a gunshot wound and and a gun discarded right there some people might not assume that it was self inflicted and perhaps…

That wouldn't matter. If they really want to send a message, you get suicided with two shots to the back of the head. Having the entire media apparatus complicit in gaslighting the public into accepting absurdity is all part of the demonstration of power and demoralisation ritual.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by timthelion »

gruez wrote: post #37
windowshopping wrote: post #29

This is kind of mind-blowing to me. First case in my lifetime where a US corporation appears to have murdered someone for political reasons. Has this happened before? I assume it has but it's very rare.

>First case in my lifetime where a US corporation appears to have murdered someone for political reasons Is there anything supporting this theory other than the fact the death benefits Boeing?

He was shot and there aren't any double blind studies that prove that police are capable of reliably distinguishing self inflicted wounds from non-self inflicted wounds.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by silisili »

gruez wrote: post #27
silisili wrote: post #4

This happens way too often, and I'm genuinely curious why. The easy answer is that paranoid people with a vendetta say exactly this to throw guilt onto the other party. The hard answer is harder to swallow. What can we do about it?

>This happens way too often 1. What some other recent occurrences? 2. What's the baseline rate of suicides we should expect for people in high stress positions, like being a whistleblower? How many people could plausibly be categorized as "whistleblowers"?

I knew this would come up, but couldn't think of specifics other than I've seen it go by on social media seemingly yearly.

I vividly remember one two or three years ago, of an Asian man I think in NYC who kept videoing the police calling them corrupt, telling the world if he died it was the police. Well, he died. The police said it wasn't the police. Sadly, I can't find this Googling.

I'd say it's happened enough to become a meme. When people post controversial things about big companies or politicians, people will reply telling them to make a video to say they aren't suicidal.

* Well some people aren't happy with my handwavy answer, so here are a few

https://fresnopeoplesmedia.com/2016/01/2829/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/home-explodes-washingto...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-was-ja... (same case, some context)

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/jeffrey-eps...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by madaxe_again »

geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action.

Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit.

Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by vmttmv »

anon-sre-srm wrote: post #14

Perhaps: A. Most people dismiss an actual conspiracy to murder a whistleblower witness as a conspiracy theory automatically. Such a cliché seems possible. Remember, Boeing is run by MD dickhead bros who traded in camel fucking magazine covers. B. He wanted additional scrutiny on Boeing, and was willing to die for it. C. Friend is seeking attention. It will require honest and diligent investigation to be sure it was t…

Any other alternative should surely be dismissed immediately in the land of the brave and home of the world police, the bonafide benefactors.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lostlogin »

timthelion wrote: post #45
gruez wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>First case in my lifetime where a US corporation appears to have murdered someone for political reasons Is there anything supporting this theory other than the fact the death benefits Boeing?

He was shot and there aren't any double blind studies that prove that police are capable of reliably distinguishing self inflicted wounds from non-self inflicted wounds.

It’s a bit dark, but the idea of trying to get ethics approval for a study of this sort had me laugh.
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