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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hnfong »

gruez wrote: post #78
tsimionescu wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article we're commenting on, where a friend attests he was told explicitly that any "suicide" is fowl play. Sure, it's nowhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt", but it's plenty, together with the obvious motive, to form an opinion.

> The article we're commenting on, where a friend attests he was told explicitly that any "suicide" is fowl play. Isn't there obvious reporting bias here? People typically don't go around saying "btw I'm going to kill myself, if that happens assume it's not foul play", so it shouldn't be too surprising that people kill themselves even though they said they wouldn't. Moreover people who actually tell people they're go…

If you dismiss all the evidence "supporting this theory" (your words) then obviously you wouldn't find anything that supports it.

Evidence does not have to be perfect. Even biased evidence should update your priors. There is evidence supporting this theory. It doesn't mean it is definitely true.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by anon-sre-srm »

XorNot wrote: post #91
anon-sre-srm wrote: post #14

Perhaps: A. Most people dismiss an actual conspiracy to murder a whistleblower witness as a conspiracy theory automatically. Such a cliché seems possible. Remember, Boeing is run by MD dickhead bros who traded in camel fucking magazine covers. B. He wanted additional scrutiny on Boeing, and was willing to die for it. C. Friend is seeking attention. It will require honest and diligent investigation to be sure it was t…

Option 0: people tend to be blindsided when someone in their life suffering from depression kills themselves. This is because if you see it coming, usually you go all out to intervene. It is ridiculously common for people to report that someone who seemed like they enduring mental hardship "was doing better" in the days before their suicide. I'm finding the immediate "it was an an assassination" rhetoric gross and un…

Duh. I mentioned A to dismiss it rather than invite inevitable conspiracy theories.

His lawyers came out almost immediately claiming he seemed in good spirits. Perhaps this was a superficial assessment or he was hiding his true feelings.

Like I said, wait until the investigation is complete because we don't know. It seems like the friend and media are grabbing attention rather than doing anything constructive.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by phpisthebest »

gruez wrote: post #23
eastbound wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t even know the details of the weapon, but in the minute of it being published, they claimed to know it was “self-inflicted”.

Maybe the authorities do know and it's simply not published/released? After all, assuming he shot himself and the gun is right there, it seems fairly reasonable to tentatively presume it's self inflicted.

Yes we all know the authorities do a terrible job of actual investigation instead jumping to assumption, speculation, and "gut" of their "experience" to intuit the "truth" of the matter with out any logic or reason..

Presuming and Assuming when it comes to a death investigation is often the start of how innocent people go to jail

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by hoffs »

aydyn wrote: post #80

Every single person in the previous thread who ridiculed others for saying that suicide was _not_ the most likely explanation needs a serious re-evaluation of their priors.

Stress and pressure can lead to performing actions that you thought you couldn't do. They don't specify how early this event took place but mentions that deposition was yet to take place. So a lot could have changed after that as there's kind of no turning back.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by timschmidt »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

> Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world.

See: Lake City Quiet Pills

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by dheavy »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

Can you provide non-anecdotal evidences for your first statement?

Because it's fairly easy to do so for the opposite statement. e.g. https://assassination.globalinitiative.net/monitor/

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by whimsicalism »

bmer wrote: post #84
gruez wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This happens way too often 1. What some other recent occurrences? 2. What's the baseline rate of suicides we should expect for people in high stress positions, like being a whistleblower? How many people could plausibly be categorized as "whistleblowers"?

One prominent one in recent memory is the Epstein "suicide". Aaron Swartz is another, although not so recent.

To me it still seems more likely than not that these people committed suucide, especially Swartz.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by johnohara »

These kinds of things happen and the waters immediately get murky. Even those closest to the person in question are never really 100% sure.

Reminds me of the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#...

Richard Clarke's assessment seemed to carry the weight of truth. But only to a point. Just enough to engage the suspicions of family and friends, but no more.

Same for John Barnett.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by orwin »

ixaxaar wrote: post #12

Oh so in Russia its jumping out a window and in the USA its some random method of suicide? Why not be specific, and consistent, like Russia?

DGSE (French secret service) really like to drown people, so avoid cities with canals and/or river if you feel you can be a target :)

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by Charlie_32 »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

Yeah where’s your evidence for this?
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