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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by karambahh »

orwin wrote: post #213
littlestymaar wrote: post #151

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Interesting, I had never heard of that before. Do you have references that I could read on the topic?

It's tongue in cheek, we kill in many different ways. Drowning related however, the most known is this one (even got a wiki page, so it's really well known!) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boulin But Choukri Ghanem also managed to drown himself in Vienna. A related death was Albichari, a 37 yo dying of diabetes, and 6 years later, Bechir Saleh assassination attempt by a commando (with his bodyguard crew saving him),…

Small nitpick, if (which is very likely to me but unfortunately hasn't been proven) Robert Boulin has been murdered, it's definitely not by the DGSE or it predecessor, as they operate outside of France.

If you agree is that it's not a suicide, opinions differ on whether it's government team that did it or the "SAC", a paramilitary group linked to the then ruling party, not an official secret service

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Post by bostik »

renewiltord wrote: post #172
kashunstva wrote: post #121

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> normal people motivated by money… strangle car owners and steal their cars… Those are not in any way normal people. If someone makes it to 16-17 y/o without acquiring that fundamental moral lesson, I would not characterize them as normal, whatever the cause of that failure.

All There is to Know About Adolph Eichmann by Leonard Cohen EYES:……………………………………Medium HAIR:……………………………………Medium WEIGHT:………………………………Medium HEIGHT:………………………………Medium DISTINGUISHING FEATURES…None NUMBER OF FINGERS:………..Ten NUMBER OF TOES………………Ten INTELLIGENCE…………………….Medium What did you expect? Talons? Oversize incisors? Green saliva? Madness?

Back in Finland I saw an incredible play: https://www.tinfo.fi/en/NPfF-Plays/48/I-Am-Adolf-Eichmann - the utter banality of the thing, how the convicted mastermind behind the genocide was "merely solving ongoing logistical problems". And how the trial turned into a massive media circus, likely letting a number of equally culpable war criminals off the hook.

Turns out there is currently a fresh play in works that may have some of the same undertones: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-trial-of-eichmann-world-pre...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by sfn42 »

siriaan wrote: post #69
lostlogin wrote: post #50

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It’s a bit dark, but the idea of trying to get ethics approval for a study of this sort had me laugh.

Well a university in New Zealand got the ok to blast pigs in the head with a Glock for a blood spatter study - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/284438/how-did-shooting-...

I thought firing a gun would leave gunpowder residue on your hands

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Post by vsnf »

max_ wrote: post #131

Reading the comments here is now making me even more skeptical about society. It really looks like; It is a waste of time to take risk yourself and expose unethical practices conducted by the powerful. Because, A) The masses don't really care (I expected riots and protest). B) You may mysteriously die. C) Your death instead of sparking an outrage will mostly be labeled a "conspiracy theory". Given these three items,…

> I expected riots and protest

Why did you expect this?

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Post by gpderetta »

lukan wrote: post #242
whimsicalism wrote: post #156

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In my view, almost all of these are accidents or suicides and people watch way too many hollywood films. The Hastings thing is classic mania for those of us who know people who have experienced that.

I wouldn't be so sure. I dropped that point of view, after I read about the Lucona incident in europe and all the dirt behind it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucona Which lead me to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio "According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in W…

Regarding Gladio, what is wild conspiracy theories anywhere else, in Italy is just a slow Tuesday.

Just to get started on the rabbit hole, and somewhat relevant for this thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

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Post by sfn42 »

withinboredom wrote: post #227
sfn42 wrote: post #126

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Firing a gun leaves residue on your hands etc. They can tell whether you fired it

They can tell whether you fired A gun, not necessarily that you fired that specific gun into your specific body. It's circumstantial evidence at best. Better evidence would be signs of a struggle or calculating bullet velocity to see if it came from the gun in that position. However, there are ways of doing this without actually causing a struggle. Wait for them to go to sleep; you could even give them some melatonin…

I think you got my point backwards. If you are found with a gunshot wound in your head, holding a gun, but you don't have gunpowder residue on your hand, it's pretty safe to say you didn't shoot yourself.

Of course there are ways to get around that but the killer has to actually perform that workaround.

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Post by withinboredom »

sfn42 wrote: post #256
withinboredom wrote: post #227

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They can tell whether you fired A gun, not necessarily that you fired that specific gun into your specific body. It's circumstantial evidence at best. Better evidence would be signs of a struggle or calculating bullet velocity to see if it came from the gun in that position. However, there are ways of doing this without actually causing a struggle. Wait for them to go to sleep; you could even give them some melatonin…

I think you got my point backwards. If you are found with a gunshot wound in your head, holding a gun, but you don't have gunpowder residue on your hand, it's pretty safe to say you didn't shoot yourself. Of course there are ways to get around that but the killer has to actually perform that workaround.

I got your point, but I was making that point that even then, it doesn’t mean anything. Maybe they went to a shooting range that afternoon. Maybe the killer does something to ensure the residue is there. Maybe the killer manipulates them in their sleep. Who knows.

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Post by alexey-salmin »

blackhawkC17 wrote: post #55
windowshopping wrote: post #41

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I did say "appears," but this is some Epstein levels of "coincidence." I'm not really a conspiracy-theory type, but I mean c'mon. Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself? Makes me think of this little stand-up comedy snippet. https://www.reddit.com/r/StandUpComedy/comments/14rcr7n/cons... "I understand not believing in most conspiracy theories, but NONE? You really think the government's batting 100? They ain…

> Does anyone believe that Epstein killed himself? Yes, I believe that Epstein was a coward who took the easy way out rather than face repercussions. If it was a grand conspiracy, why is Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein’s partner-in-crime) still alive in prison?

Curios that she didn't try to reduce her sentence by incriminating others. Furthermore she outright refused to testify at all during the proceedings.

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Post by sfn42 »

withinboredom wrote: post #257
sfn42 wrote: post #256

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I think you got my point backwards. If you are found with a gunshot wound in your head, holding a gun, but you don't have gunpowder residue on your hand, it's pretty safe to say you didn't shoot yourself. Of course there are ways to get around that but the killer has to actually perform that workaround.

I got your point, but I was making that point that even then, it doesn’t mean anything. Maybe they went to a shooting range that afternoon. Maybe the killer does something to ensure the residue is there. Maybe the killer manipulates them in their sleep. Who knows.

No you still don't seem to get the point. I'm saying the *absence* of gunpowder residue means something, I'm not saying the presence of it means anything.
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