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This is a very US-centric take that falls apart the moment you look at the rest of the world.
Agreed, e.g. Britain has already had four Gen X PMs.
And which country faired better in the ensuing years?
A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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> Can you not see how that would be viewed as insanely predatory? I assume you must be an expert in the cost structure of operating a veterinary practice in that location, at that time, in order to determine a predatory and non predatory price. If you are not, I am not sure how you can make any claim about the prices. >For profit companies should not be involved in human or animal medicine. What kind of quality of li…
Frankly, if a vet can, as a matter of practice, afford to do procedures probono but only if the owner surrenders their pet, it means they are making an absolutely staggering profit from those who are emotionally extorted to pay. That is predatory. I miss the days when vets got into the business to run small practices for a reasonable profit and middle class lifestyle. Few of them wanted mercedes money . It's kind of…
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Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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> > "There's an idea that veterinarians work on the belief that it's right to euthanise a hopeless case," says Volk, "and we are seeing ourselves, emotionally, as hopeless cases." Fuck me that is dark.
The realization that to some pet, you're merely a fallible god, but one who can often offer little but death in an alien place, filled with the scent of sick, dying, and/or terrified other animals. Why am I here? Did I do something wrong? And your face is the last one they see. Run through that a thousand times per year and, unless you have monastic levels of detachment, you might end up feeling as if you were little…
Now this is beautifully sad
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Can you not see how that would be viewed as insanely predatory? I assume you must be an expert in the cost structure of operating a veterinary practice in that location, at that time, in order to determine a predatory and non predatory price. If you are not, I am not sure how you can make any claim about the prices. >For profit companies should not be involved in human or animal medicine. What kind of quality of li…
Frankly, if a vet can, as a matter of practice, afford to do procedures probono but only if the owner surrenders their pet, it means they are making an absolutely staggering profit from those who are emotionally extorted to pay. That is predatory. I miss the days when vets got into the business to run small practices for a reasonable profit and middle class lifestyle. Few of them wanted mercedes money . It's kind of…
I don’t know a single vet that drives a Mercedes. I know a lot who drove beat up trucks and have a mountain of debt.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
> hoping someone will pay for a procedure to save their pet's life while being braced for "I guess we should put them down..." I'm sorry, but vet costs are completely out of whack with reality these days. The truth of the matter is that most people cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on a pet, no matter how much they are loved, and that DOES NOT make them bad or unfit owners. The story quoted $10k to remove…
Ridiculous entitled view. At minimum, vets have to do undergrad + four years of vet school. If you find a board certified vet, they will have gone through 1-2 years of internships, and another 2-3 years of a residency, plus board exams. Technicians in many US states have to at least have an AA degree, but the competition is such that many have Bachelors these days. I know of a few that even have Masters. And a lot of…
There are some items like medications and IV fluids rebranded for veterinary use. I assume it lowers the cost but don’t know for certain.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#356I honestly think veterinarians should just be a luxury for richer people who want to spend extravagant amounts on healthcare for their pets. If you’re a common person, and your pet gets some illness, then that’s it: you need to expect your pet’s death if they aren’t able to recover naturally or cheap treatments and pills don’t work. Pet surgeries should not be some routine thing that should be expected to be affordab…
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Yes, genuine people who aren't playing social games laugh spontaneously , they don't contact the moral police to determine whether they can laugh or not. Other people who are more prone to going with the herd will wait to see what other people are doing and then determine whether they should laugh or not. You actually can see this in real time watching stand up comedians - for certain jokes the majority of the crowd…
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Thanks, I did not know this!
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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I would rather euthpanize my dog than subject it to quack vets.
And you think everyone should have to make that choice? And that e.g. 4 years for an undergraduate degree isn't enough to become proficient in treating cats (at least for the stuff that's worth treating)?
This thread has become casually dismissive and insulting to the actual work that vets do.
Techs (for states that require technician certification, it's a two year degree) do a lot of the work with pets. There's often more than one technician per doctor. That reduces costs. Doctors are still needed because, unsurprisingly, cases can have a lot of nuance that requires significant training to see.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
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People spend too much time staring into their phones, consuming simple carbohydrates, and being sedentary. The world is better than it's ever been. We just don't take good care of ourselves.
What are you talking about? Peace in Europe is shattered. The former President of the United States has been indicted multiple times on dozens of felony charges. R&D on the killer bipedal robots + assassination drones + AI from your favorite sci-fi movies is nearing completion. Full Nineteen Eighty-Four -style surveillance totalitarianism has been rolled out in occupied China and is at the pilot stage in most western…
Something like two or three billion people have been lifted out of abject poverty in the last thirty years.
Global violent deaths are a fraction of what they were 50 years ago.
The world is making huge progress; you’d never know it from the evening news, however.
PS: The site you link classifies (correctly, in my view) conscription as slavery. I think if you’re going to compare then to now in terms of slavery, you should include conscription numbers in your historical figures too.
Re: A suicide crisis among veterinarians
#360I work in a veterinary school, and it's remarkable to see how worn down veterinarians are compared to my colleagues in "people medicine" (and my comparison group are infectious disease folks - they're not exactly a cheerful group). To be honest, at this point, between how hard it is to get into vet school, the debt load, and how you're signing up for crushing compassion fatigue your whole life, and a career of hoping…
It's just a fact that ppl don't want to admit that raising pets is a luxury. The cost of the healthcare is high and when the economy downturn comes like now, this kind of cost would be the first to be reduced.There is just not much money in this business